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Q: Why does the start point in Logic always begin at 01:00:00:00??

I need it to be all zeros in order to work on a project with another guy who uses Sonar (as I understand it at least). Plus, I'm just curious as to why this is? Anyone??

Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Posted on Jun 7, 2007 12:59 PM

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A:
Not screwy, though I'll admit it's confusing.

Video editors normally start their video track before the music starts, using what's called pre-roll to get tape up to speed, put up cueing visuals, ID slates, test visuals, count down and other front matter. The music will only start when the video starts for real so often there's several second of silence under the pre-roll etc.

If Logic started at 0:00:00:00 then the video would have to start at negative time. Instead, starting the soundtrack at 1:00:00:00 means video might start at 0:59:50:00, i.e. 10 second before the music starts. There's no strict agreement about starting at 1:00:00:00. Some editors ask that you start soundtrack at 10:00:00:00

To alter it, go the synchronisation settings and you can choose what you want bar 1 to be equivalent to. Default is 1:0:0:0.0 but you can change that to 0:0:0:0.0 if you like.

File > Song Settings > Synchronisation

Pete

Posted on Jun 7, 2007 2:24 PM

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Q: Why does the start point in Logic always begin at 01:00:00:00??

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  • by gilesjuk,

    gilesjuk gilesjuk Jun 7, 2007 1:23 PM in response to zlop66
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    Jun 7, 2007 1:23 PM in response to zlop66
    It's that way because it's the 1 measure or bar.

    Most humans and musicians count 1, 2, 3, 4. Not 0, 1, 2, 3 like programming languages do.

  • by chuck50dc,

    chuck50dc chuck50dc Jun 7, 2007 1:38 PM in response to gilesjuk
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    Jun 7, 2007 1:38 PM in response to gilesjuk
    It's that way because it's the 1 measure or bar.

    Most humans and musicians count 1, 2, 3, 4. Not 0, 1,
    2, 3 like programming languages do.


    I'm pretty sure zlop66 is referring to the CLOCK TIME field of the Transport, not the measures/beats.

    I've wondered the same thing, because where measure 1 begins, the time SHOULD read 00:00:00:00.00 (hours:minutes:seconds:xx.xx).

    The 01:00:00:00.00 initial time setting, taken at face value, posits measure 1, beat 1 starting at one hour in. Yeah, screwy.

    c

  • by Apple Certified Trainer,Solvedanswer

    Apple Certified Trainer Apple Certified Trainer Jun 7, 2007 2:24 PM in response to zlop66
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    Jun 7, 2007 2:24 PM in response to zlop66
    Not screwy, though I'll admit it's confusing.

    Video editors normally start their video track before the music starts, using what's called pre-roll to get tape up to speed, put up cueing visuals, ID slates, test visuals, count down and other front matter. The music will only start when the video starts for real so often there's several second of silence under the pre-roll etc.

    If Logic started at 0:00:00:00 then the video would have to start at negative time. Instead, starting the soundtrack at 1:00:00:00 means video might start at 0:59:50:00, i.e. 10 second before the music starts. There's no strict agreement about starting at 1:00:00:00. Some editors ask that you start soundtrack at 10:00:00:00

    To alter it, go the synchronisation settings and you can choose what you want bar 1 to be equivalent to. Default is 1:0:0:0.0 but you can change that to 0:0:0:0.0 if you like.

    File > Song Settings > Synchronisation

    Pete

  • by Windham Hillbilly,

    Windham Hillbilly Windham Hillbilly Jun 7, 2007 2:20 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
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    Jun 7, 2007 2:20 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
    Hi, ACT,
    That's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense, if you're doing sound to go with video.
    However, many people mixing a song do not have that goal in mind.
    It seems that it would make sense to give the engineer an option for how the Start point should be designated.

    WH

  • by Apple Certified Trainer,

    Apple Certified Trainer Apple Certified Trainer Jun 7, 2007 2:23 PM in response to Windham Hillbilly
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    Jun 7, 2007 2:23 PM in response to Windham Hillbilly
    You're right WH - I just re-read the OP's original post and added my last paragraph about how it can be changed.

    Pete

  • by Windham Hillbilly,

    Windham Hillbilly Windham Hillbilly Jun 7, 2007 2:25 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
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    Jun 7, 2007 2:25 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
    There you go.

  • by zlop66,

    zlop66 zlop66 Jun 7, 2007 5:49 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
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    Jun 7, 2007 5:49 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
    Many, many thanks!! That resolves my problem/answers the question. Much appreciated!!

  • by chuck50dc,

    chuck50dc chuck50dc Jun 7, 2007 9:06 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
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    Jun 7, 2007 9:06 PM in response to Apple Certified Trainer
    OK, NOW I do actually have a clue. Thanks, ACT, and especially for the how-to-change-it.

    Excellent!

    cb