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  • stefano67 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM (in response to Donnie Ashworth)



    that's exactly my point.

    It is true that Apple added the "Ask to keep changes" option but it is worse than havng nothing since it is merely a safety illusion (if the application crashes the file is saved and not reverted).

    Apps should ask if we want to save, not if we want to revert.

    No, I can't live with autoslave. If only Adobe made Photoshop and Lightroom for Linux...

  • DChord568 Calculating status...
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    Sep 25, 2012 10:34 AM (in response to stefano67)

    stefano67 wrote:


    No, I can't live with autoslave.


    I want to clarify my earlier statement. I can live with AutoSave and Versioning at home, because I don't do that much that's critical on my home Mac in Apple's iWork suite (which provides my apps of choice for all three of its purposes).


    On the other hand, I do critical work in iWork every day when I'm on the job, which is why I prefer to remain with Snow Leopard for now.


    Let me make it clear that my preference (no pun intended) remains the same as it's always been...the option for Mountain Lion users to eschew the new paradigm altogether and go back to Snow Leopard functionality.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,470 points)
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    Sep 25, 2012 11:15 AM (in response to stefano67)

    If only Adobe made Photoshop and Lightroom for Linux...

    Fortunately, Adobe was way smarter than a lot of vendors and completely ignored Autosave/Versions in their entire CS 6 line (and earlier). It doesn't matter if you're in Lion or Mountain Lion, the apps have to be written to use those OS functions. Adobe's don't. They work the same way they always have.

  • stefano67 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 25, 2012 1:13 PM (in response to Kurt Lang)



    I agree. Adobe luckily still focuses on pro users (those who know what they do).

    Apple is targeting too much iDummies (IMHO). I still hope they will change their mind.




    PS have you seen the Apple Maps in iOS6? Does anybody believe Steve Jobs could have ever released such a piece of junk?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,530 points)
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    Sep 25, 2012 8:37 PM (in response to DChord568)

    DChord568 wrote:


    There would also be the downside of losing Rosetta. I have a lot of legacy databases in FileMaker Pro 6, and all of these would have to be converted to FileMaker Pro 10 (the latest version I have) before I could use them. This seems to be more trouble than it's worth right now...

    Run FileMaker Pro 6 in Snow Leopard installed into Parallels while in Mountain Lion:


    FileMaker Pro in vSL.png


                                       [click on image to enlarge]


    Full Snow Leopard installation instructions here:


  • markinbali Calculating status...
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    Sep 26, 2012 12:44 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    Great! Are you saying that this can be done on the latest hardware eg. my retina MBP? I also use Filmaker Pro v.7

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,530 points)
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    Sep 26, 2012 1:57 AM (in response to markinbali)

    Well, it works on my 2009 MacBook Pro and my 2011 Mac Mini and the many people who have commented in the listed thread.


    However, NOTE: STEP ONE must be completed on a Snow Leopard or Lion Mac and then the resulting Mac OS X SNOW LEOPARD.cdr image file can be moved over to the Mountain Lion computer and the remaining steps completed there.


    We are still looking for a way to complete STEP ONE in Mountain Lion.

  • Beyo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 26, 2012 5:51 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    What a dirty tricks only because Apple is run by idiots

  • elol Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 26, 2012 6:39 AM (in response to GunnerBuck)

    Hi:  just saw this on OSXDaily.     weird    the instructions seems opposite to what I would expect reading the command.


    I do not have Mountain Lion and cannot do any testing....




    cheers elo

  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Sep 26, 2012 8:23 AM (in response to Beyo)

    Apple is clearly not run by idiots.  There may be a degree of hubris, but there are probably other factors operating.  For example, when, after years of complaint, the Find-by-file-name shortcut was reintroduced in 10.4 there was no cursor in the search box to let you know you had successfully executed the command.  It seems to me that this was possibly due to limited band width... they can not do everything instantly.


    There may be method in their madness.  They are harvesting customers from Windows on the back of the iPhone success.  It is possible that they are targeting the new users during this phase of the ML rollout.  Limiting check boxes and choices might help stop a lot of new users getting in a muddle.  Perhaps as bandwidth allows, and people get used to the OS, options will be returned to later versions of the OS. 


    I don't mean to defend them, just explain them, I'm sticking to SL, which is more than fine for the moment.




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  • Steve Maximus Calculating status...
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    Sep 26, 2012 8:53 PM (in response to oxcart)

    Apple was run by Steve Jobs and did really well. Then it was run by John Sculley, the former CEO of Pepsi. During that time they went from a successful company to almost bankrupt. Then Steve Jobs came back and Apple became the biggest company in the world. Steve is gone and Apple is once again being run by idiots.

  • Donnie Ashworth Level 3 Level 3 (875 points)
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    Sep 27, 2012 5:09 AM (in response to Steve Maximus)

    Steve, you're right about the history there, but I can't agree with you on the last phrase. Apple is run by some of the brightest, most talented, and innovative people in the country. You and I agree that OS X is taking some bad directions, and yes, a lot of things don't seem to have been thought through thoroughly in recent versions of the OS (the Save As situation being probably the most notable example). But having said that, I don't think it's productive to characterize the designers as idiots. And remember that a lot of what we're seeing currently almost certainly had to have been in the pipeline when Jobs was still running the company.

  • Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 27, 2012 5:33 AM (in response to Donnie Ashworth)

    The entire board of directors thought the Apple Stores were such a dumb idea they refused to try even one. Steve Jobs had to SECRETLY build a prototype store and after getting it perfect then let them look at it. Only then did they say "yes" to him trying out with a few stores. These are the people still running the company. What idiots. Read anything about Steve Jobs and you will see that most of the people at Apple fought him to stop the best ideas coming out of Apple. Plus Steve was dying for the last 2 years at the company, so he didn't have energy available to fight these people. Every decision since he got sick (not when he died) has been bad. What do they call "The New Ipad" when they release another iPad. "The Even Newer iPad"? Or why is the iPhone 5 not called "The New iPhone"? They can't even get basic marketing right. Now the iPhones scratch, the Macbook Pro has a flex in the body because they made the aluminum too thin, iMaps is a joke, Save-As and Versions are stupid. Ok the new guy in charge of the Apple stores put staff on commission and cut back staff to save costs, then he did change his mind as moral dropped. But it shows he has no idea what made the stores great. Is there anyone running that company who has any idea of what Steve Jobs brought to the company? Absolutely no one.

  • Donnie Ashworth Level 3 Level 3 (875 points)
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    Sep 27, 2012 5:36 AM (in response to Steve Maximus)

    Well, I have to admit—you've got a case.


    And added to your list would be all the OS changes that have been made, and then immediately had to be retracted or modified. Apple never used to have to do those things. And don't forget about antenna-gate.

  • Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 27, 2012 5:50 AM (in response to Donnie Ashworth)

    Donnie, I am writing an ebook about this whole phenomenon. The list of recent mistakes by Apple is huge. Let me give you an example. In iOS5 when I am away from the house I write and send an email from my iPad. As I have no wifi connection the mail program does not make a sent email sound. The email is in my outbox unsent. Then when I get home and I have a wifi connection the email sends and I hear the sound. Now with iOS6 when I send the email it makes the sound, even though the email is still in my outbox unset. Why change this behavior? From my understanding of human nature people need to justify their existence by changing things and saying "I did that change." Steve Jobs didn't need to do that. He would have said "That is a stupid change, put it back." Now there is no one at Apple who says that. So they make stupid changes all the time. This is a very fundamental change that has happened in the upper management of the company, and filtered down to the staff. Everyone who has any crazy idea now gets listened to. Upper management don't care. They only care about their share options. Therefore the changes we are seeing at Apple are a sign of the future, and not a one off situation to ignore.

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