I rescently posted several questions about useing my iPod with my new kenwood deck via USB hub on deck face plate (and I must say it is phenominal). But I found out why my music purchased from iTunes is not working. There are 2 types of AAC files that are present in the store; PURCHASEBLE files and PROTECTED files. The protected files can not be played in any medium but your iPod (no other source can play these files; CD player, car stereo; or cp based Media Player). Here is the kicker, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND OUT WHICH FILE IS PROTECTED AND WHICH FILE IS PURCHASEBLE UNTIL YOU PURCHASE THE ****** SONG. So now you're informed, buy CD's from your local spin center. I believe that if you buy the song, it is yours to play. [ Edited by Host, don't steal music ]
I have found that you can burn a cd and play it in compatible CD players that allow you to play CD-R's or CD-RW's. But as far as trying to actually play any protected AAC file in any other device but the iPod will not work. IE; my IPOD connect via an Apple USB cord to the face plate of my Kenwood stereo. The Ipod becomes a mass storage device (as it is when plugged into your computer) and the Kenwood (or any other media device for that matter) becomes the player for the fileson the mass storage device, there for not allowing protected AAC files to be processed and played.
I came about this nowledge because a friend of mine is a consultant for Apple and tests some of their softwhare. By the way I was also informed and confirmed it on the web site that you have a limited number (like four or five) times that you can "burn" or "share" your purchased product before it will stop allowing you to use your purchase in that manner. I know alot people are un aware of all of this and feel it is B.S. and people should be informed.
Regarding your Kenwood unit...I'm confused by that. There are all sorts of methods of connecting your iPod to car stereos and home stereos. And they work. I've used my iPod on both. I don't understand how your Kenwood becomes a mass storage device. It should just serve as a conduit for the iPod to play through.
To your second point...many of us have known for a long time that there is a burn limit on the protected files. Honestly, I've never hit it and was beginning to doubt whether it existed. I downloaded a bunch of Christmas tunes for my husband last year and burned them to a disk. I kept sorting the playlist wrong and I must have burned it 5 or 6 times to get it right. iTunes never gave me a message that I'd reached my limit.
If you haven't heard of iTunes Plus -- which is fairly new -- it's another version of the iTunes Store which sell songs free of DRM (Digital Rights Management) for $1.29 (as opposed to 99 cents in the regular store). The DRM-free songs have no limit to the number of computers or devices on which you're "allowed" to play them. iTunes Plus songs, from what I understand, are also compatible with other media players (I've specifically heard the Zune mentioned.)
I think the problem with the Kenwood is that you are connecting via USB. I don't think it's intended to work that way. Do you have an auxiliary jack on the faceplate? There's a cord that will connect from the earphone jack on the iPod to an auxiliary jack on your car stereo. The iPod should play through that.
Diane, I can not understand why you are being defensive. I am just trying to inform some people of the practices that I have ran into. And the Kenwood stereo is not the Mass Storage Device; your iPod becomes the Mass Storage Device. Any media player that actually becomes the player (your iPod "freezes up" so to say, you can not use any of the functions, it just flashes "DO NOT UNPLUG") you can not desypher the protected song file. It is impossible. Now if you are useing the iPod as the player (menu and scrolling and all functions still work) and the media player you're plugged into acts as a conduit to the sound system (speakers) than yes your iPod will work with the protected AAC files. My point is Apple is not releaseing this information (not even in the end user agreement) and is not releaseing information prior to purchase. Why? There would be less purchases. Oh and did you read the fact that the Kenwood Corporation does not even know this fact yet? Why? Again there would be less purchases. If all this information was in the ready for consummers that he/she could make an informed decision on the media players they are buying. Be it Kenwood or Pioneer, iPod or the Zune. Again not too sure of your deffensiveness here.
I do know what you are talking about Diane. My wife's Ford Truck is that way. But this Kenwood is specifically set up to use with the iPod, and few other mp3 players. It advertises iPod all over the box and the branding of the marketing. Even in the user's manual it has a full disclosure for iPod and the trade marks along with advertisement and support of the Apple Company. I know the exact thing that you are talking about and I am going to return that deck for a deck that is compatible with the way my iPod is set up. I just think that it is un ethical of Apple to protect its AAC format with out full disclosure of what that constitutes. And the fact that there are songs that aren't protected and songs that are, but the only way to determine that is to buy the song. It is discourageing to me, I have always respected and liked Apple and Steve Jobs. I thought they were different from MoneySoft and Billionare Gates.
I apologize if you misunderstood my tone. I am totally not meaning to be defensive. I am trying to understand the issues you've described and attempting to help you find a way to use your iPod with your Kenwood car stereo. I really believe the issue there is the USB connection. (Don't know if you read my "double post".) I think an auxiliary connection would work.
Again, not trying to be defensive...just trying to help. Really. See I'm smiling. 🙂 I felt you had been mislead about how that connection works and I guess my perplexedness somehow came out sounding defensive????
Regarding the other issues about iTunes. I'm sorry you were not aware of those facts before your purchases. I had talked to a lot of people before buying my iPod and was aware of the things you've mentioned. I guess some of us have assumed that they were common knowledge. I personally have not felt mislead and I'm sorry that you do.
I hope you'll investigate some other ways of connecting the iPod to your Kenwood. I recently listened to mine on a rented car during vacation (via the auxiliary input) and it sounded fabulous. Hope you'll be able to experience the same.
I did investigate all the iPods and the Zune and a few other no name ones. I believe I choose the best quality. I was actually told in here that the USB connect is the way to go because it is a higher quality connection. I was also told that by the people at Best Buy; and Car Toys. My issue was one of concern and panic with Kenwood. But now it is one of concern for others who really do not know about this. In hind sight I would not have bout that music, and some of the music that I bought was not offered at the 1.29 rate (Trace Atkins was, but Eric church was not). No in hind sight I would have rather paid Napster, bought the whole CD, or simple borrowed a CD from a friend. I believe that the artist should be paid for his art and the gift of their music to us their fans. But when getting paid turns into getting greedy I feel no compation for revenue lost by the artist or Apple. Funny thing is I say this being a semi successful BMI song writer.
Sorry I mis-construed your tone and approach Diane, you have a nice night.
Um, you can in-fact play the DRM protected ACC music files on a CD, it is just a matter of burning them to a CD. Also it is possible to tell if a track on the iTunes Store is DRM Protected or not. If the file is not protect it will have a little plus icon next to it, and upon clicking will launch the iTunes Plus Store where you can by higher quality EMI Records DRM free songs/videos/music videos, for $1.29 that can be played on just about any player. But in order to reach the iTunes plus store you will need to download the latest version of iTunes (for free) I believe it is iTunes 7.2
The limitation with DRM on the iTunes store is with Music Videos or Videos/Movies, if any of these files are DRM protected they can only be played on an iPod or a registered computer. These files can not be burned to a CD/DVD or any other removable source except an iPod.
Regards--- jgurbisz
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Your posts make it seem like DRM is new and no one knows about it.
It's been around for quite a while. The iTunes store has used it on every song in the last +5 years until recently with iTunes Plus.
Also, most other legal music download sites use DRM. This is required by the labels in order to sell their music since they don't want people "borrowing" music from friends and not getting paid.
There are 2 types of AAC files that are present in the store; PURCHASEBLE files and PROTECTED files. There are two kinds of AAC in the store.
Protected and
unprotected. Both are
purchased.
THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND OUT WHICH FILE IS PROTECTED AND WHICH FILE IS PURCHASEBLE Sure there is. If it costs money, it is purchasable.
UNTIL YOU PURCHASE THE ****** SONG. Why not look at the price? If it has a + (plus sign) & costs $1.29, it is purchasable and not DRM protected.
If it does not have a + sign and costs .99, it is purchasable and DRM protected.
Funny thing is I say this being a semi successful BMI song writer. You wrote, "simple borrowed a CD from a friend."
What if you sold only one CD and everyone borrowed that one CD? How "semi-successful" would you be?
"Any media player that actually becomes the player (your iPod "freezes up" so to say, you can not use any of the functions, it just flashes "DO NOT UNPLUG") you can not desypher the protected song file."
I beg to differ. I just came into my local coffee shop after connecting my Nano to my iPod hookup, which is controlled on the steering wheel and iDriver (the ipod shows a big checkmark and says connected), and played at least three protected AAC songs in a row with no problem. Maybe your Kensington or your iPod has a problem. And your Apple consultant friend doesn't know what they are talking about.
"By the way I was also informed and confirmed it on the web site that you have a limited number (like four or five) times that you can "burn" or "share" your purchased product before it will stop allowing you to use your purchase in that manner."
You are confused. First off those are two different things you are mixing up. One is that you are allowed to authorize up to 5 computers at any one time to be able to play DRM protected purchased iTunes content. Once you reach 5, if you want to authorize another computer, then you have to unauthorize another to make room. For the vast majority of people, this shouldn't be an issue unless you have more than 5 computers running in your house and need them all to play your iTunes songs. Second, there is no limit to the number of times you can burn a purchased iTunes song to an audio CD. What there is a limit on is the number of times you can burn a particular playlist which contains a DRM protected song to a CDR as an Audio CD. I think it is something like 7 times. But the limit is NOT on that song, but on that particular playlst. You can change the playlist (add a song and remove another, change the order, etc.) or add the DRM song to a new playlis and you can again make another 7 (or however many it is) more audio CDs of that playlist. Keep adding the purchased song to new/different playlists and you can burn as many copies to audio CDs as your little heart desires. So please get your facts straight before you try and "inform" people. Misinformation helps no one. Patrick
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