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Frequent Serious Problems With New iMac - Advice Needed

In early March of this year I purchased a 24 in. iMac with a 2.33 GHz processor, 500 GB HD, and 256 Mb of video RAM for the 7300GT video card. For two weeks the computer ran perfectly, and then I got the spinning beachball of death (SBBOD) while browsing the Apple web site in Safari. I used all of the possible methods for force quitting Safari and unfreezing the iMac to no avail. Finally, I did a power button forced reboot and the computer would not reboot but gave only a forever spinning black circle against the Apple Logo silver screen. I purchased Apple Care Support at the time I bought the iMac. After being on the phone for more than an hour with Apple Support, the conclusion was that I would need to erase my Mac drive and reinstall the software. That is when I learned how painfully long the process is of installing OS X from the disks included with my iMac and the importance of having a good backup.

I spent the better part of a day formatting the HD and reinstalling OS X and restoring the contents of my HD from a Restrospect backup. All ran fine for about 3 weeks. I even purchased Aeprture and began cataloging my photo collection. After three days of working in Aperture, one day I was assigning ratings to images when suddenly I got the SBBOD which never went away and once again all of the above was repeated: phone call to Apple Support, one hour plus on the phone, need to reformat and reinstall the OS and restore the contents to the HD.

After this experience, I scoured the internet for information on software for properly maintaining my iMac and avoiding freezes. I learned about the OS X maintenance routines, Disk Warrior, etc. and began instituting weekly maintenance programs to clear caches, etc. on my iMac. All went well for approximately one month. During this time I experienced no problems and regularly ran the maintenance routines, repaired permissions, verified the disk in the Apple Disk Utility, and occasionally used Disk Warrior to check for directory problems. I also ran the Apple Hardware Diagnostic and everything came back OK. After about a month I was working in some piece of software (can't remember now which software), and again I experienced a freeze and the SSBOD followed by a failure to reboot as described previously. Once again after calling Apple Support I was advised to reformat, reinstall OS X, and restore the contents of my HD.

I did so and all ran well for about 5 weeks. Last Saturday night I was out for most of the evening and came home at 10 PM and opened Mac Mail. My mail starting downloading normally but seemed to take longer than usual. When it finished downloading, I discovered the Mac had frozen entirely and I soon got the SBBOD and found no way to unfreeze the computer short of the power button reboot. This time my computer did reboot, but I discovered that I was no longer on our LAN network so that Safari could not pull up a web page nor could I download my e-mail. I ran Disk Utility and repaired permissions, and then tried to verify the disk which failed and gave me the error of "invalid sibling link". Browsing these forums, I discovered that this meant that somehow my disk directory was corrupted. I booted from disk Warrior and ran the directory repair routine three times until it reported that the directory was fully repaired. I rebooted the machine and found that I had no internet connection still even though my iPhone and my PC's were all connecting fine to our LAN system. By booting the iMac from the Apple Installation disk we could clearly see that the LAN was being picked up so there was not a hardware problem with the ethernet port. Apple Support suggested doing an Archive and Install of the software. I spent two hours doing this only to have the Archive and Reinstall fail on the second of the two installation disks. It just hung about 80% of the way through the second part of teh installation and would proceed no further.

This time I resolved to do something different than just reformat the disk, reinstall OS X, and restore the contents of my HD. I again scoured the forums here and had no problems finding many instances similar to what I have experienced. Some, but not all of these, seemed to be solved by zeroing the HD -- something I had not previously done. Therefore, I spent 2 hours zeroing the HD (to map out bad blocks) before reinstalling OS X and restoring from my previous night's Retrospect backup. After zeroing the drive, I checked its S.M.A.R.T status and it was showing no problems.

Once again I am back up and running but only time will tell if I have succeeded in eliminating the freezing and other problems I have experienced with this iMac.

If you have taken the time to read my tale of woe, I would appreciate any advice you might care to give me. I have not taken the computer to the local Apple Store because I feel they would simply reinstall OS X and then tell me to restore my HD from my nightly backup and that all is fine. I have decided that if I have another freeze that corrupts my HD and I have to repeat the process I have now done four times in 4 months, I will take this computer to the local Apple Store and insist that the 500 GB internal drive be replaced with a new drive. I really cannot think of anything else to do. Any other suggestions?

Thank you for reading and responding.

Tom

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 2.33 GHz processor

Posted on Aug 20, 2007 10:31 AM

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Aug 24, 2007 2:58 PM in response to TomWheel

Tom,

After reading this very extensive thread I strongly recommend that should it freezes up again do take to the Apple store. They will run an extensive diagnostic on it which should find the culprit. In the past 3 years I have seen one RAM issue cause this type of problem. I have bee an Apple customer for the past 3 years and have made very good use of the Apple warranty for my 20" g5 iMac (2 new power supplies and a brand new system board)

Again definitely take it to the store next time. It was tough for me to leave it behind the 1st time. I had known Apple does have a very strong brand following but the way it made me feel to walk out of that store with out it was just silly and I am grown man. Good luck

Aug 30, 2007 7:19 AM in response to TomWheel

Tom,
I have read your story and know just what you mean. I am an Apple technician and have seen this problem a few times. There seems to be a problem with some Seagate 500GB drives particularly in iMac 24-inch models. I know that Apple is working on this issue. In every case we've seen, the client has also been using Retrospect. The common factors are the make and model, the 500GB drive, and Retrospect. I imagine an update to Retrospect could resolve this issue.
You should have the hard drive replaced rather than just reinstalling the OS. When you talk to an Apple agent, always ask for a case number and reference this case number when calling in for additional problems. If you don't have it already, you should purchase AppleCare. An hour of labor Out of Warranty alone nearly equals the cost of AppleCare. I hope that Apple gets this issue resolved with you. < Edited by Host >
Good Luck,
Chris

Aug 25, 2007 11:35 AM in response to chrisjuno

Chris and All,

Thank you for responding and confirming what I believed from the beginning, i.e. that there is or was a problem with the 500 GB Seagate HD in my 24 in. iMac. I do not believe Retrospect is in any way associated with the problems that I have experienced. In fact, my first two freezes occured long before I had purchased and begun using Retrospect.

Yesterday I spent a total of more than three hours on the phone with Apple Support. My iMac had been working fine since zeroing out the HD, reinstalling OS X and doing a total disk restore with Retrospect. However, I selected the blue Apple icon on the left top of the desktop to check for software updates and nothing happened. When I selected "About this Mac" from the dropdown, the software updates button in the dialog box was grayed out. Apple Support had me try without success for more than 1.5 hrs to solve the problem via the deletion of several different .plist files. Finally I was asked to set up a "test" user account which I did. Rebooting the iMac under that account resulted in software updates working again. After further attempts to restore software updates to workability under my normal acocunt name, I was escalated to a higher level of support. That Apple Software expert recommended that I do an Archive and Install with Preserve User Settings checked. Although this had never worked in the past, since everything but software updates seemed to be working now, I decided to execute this procedure. After the Archive and Install with Preserve User Settings, I then proceeded to download and install two rounds of software updates (the software updates function was now working!). I continued until my software was pronounced up to date.

I then discovered that about half of the programs in the Final Cut Studio 2 suite including Final Cut Pro 6 and Motion 3 would not launch when the icon in the dock was clicked on. I would get one bounce from the icon and nothing further. I also discovered that Paralells would not launch and that iTunes, while it would launch, no longer recongized my iPhone when I inserted it in the iPhone dock, and that Aperture would not launch. Another call to Apple Support and I was told that Final Cut Studio 2 would not run under the latest version of OS 10, i.e. OS 10.4.10. I simply replied that this had to be nonsense as I had been running Final Cut Pro 6 under 10.4.10 on this computer for more than two weeks with no problems prior to the Archive and Install. I then asked to be transferred to a Final Cut Pro 6 expert. I was on hold for about 25 minutes when I finally got a knowledgeable support person who told me to simply reinstall the FCS2 applications (not the content). I did this which only took about 30 minutes. I then reinstalled Parallels, Aperture, and iTunes, and all is now working again.

Since this is my first fresh install of OS X without resorting to restoring a Retrospect backup, I backed up the entire HD to an external drive last night. So far all is performing fine.

If I have ANY additional problems, this iMac will be returned to my local Apple Store. I have invested so much time in getting this compupter to work the way it should that my actual productive use of the machine has been minimal and this cannot continue. If I return the iMac to the Apple Store I will insist on a new HD.

I do have Apple Care Support purchased at the time I bought this iMac in March.

I greatly appreciate all of the help and advice of everyone who has taken time to read this thread. I believe the thread may be of use to others who are experiencing similar frustrations with their iMac. I am aware that not all Mac purchasers have such a bad experience. Indeed, if that were the case Apple would no longer be selling computers. At the time I purchased my iMac in March I convinced a friend of mine to purchase a 24 in. iMac as well and he purchased his with the 750 GB Seagate HD and has had no problems.

Tom

Aug 29, 2007 1:59 PM in response to TomWheel

My 7 month old 24" imac with 500 mb seagate drive is exhibiting the same problems you have with random freezes every 1-2 months with directory corruption requiring directory repair or complete reintallation via external backup drive. Works pefectely between freezes. Teck tool, Disc Warrior and apple disc utility find no problems after directory repair. Normal surface scan and have zerowed the hard drive. The local authorized Apple service shop did diagnostics and has a new hard drive on order. Bad news is that the 500 mb drive is out of stock. If not for my dell xp pc I would be in a very difficult situation.

Aug 29, 2007 6:37 PM in response to debeso

Debesco,

I am truly sorry to hear of your iMac problems, and believe me, no one can identify with them more than me. To hear that you must wait for an undefined period of time because Apple no longer has the 500 GB drives in stock is truly deplorable. Apple, as indicated by the Apple technician's response above in this thread, is clearly aware that they have a problem with the Seagate 500 GB HD drives and they should not force the customer to wait for a back-ordered and out-of-stock drive. They should have offered to replace this 500 GB drive with one of the 750 GB drives that they do have in stock.

I am also astounded that Apple does not notify customers who have purchased 24 in. iMac's with the Seagate 500 GB hard drives that they know have a problem. Rather it is let the purchaser deal with this issue until complete failure occurs and then inform him that that drive is not in stock.

Your experience is precisely why I have tried everything to avoid taking my iMac in to the local Apple Store. I feel certain that it will sit in their shop for an undefined period of time awaiting a 500 GB HD whie I am without a computer that I use daily in my consulting work. This truly does not speak well for Apple's support of their products. I continue to keep my fingers crossed, but in light of your experience I am not optimistic. I am also disappointed with Apple's support!

Tom

Aug 30, 2007 8:38 AM in response to debeso

Debsco,

That is a relevant fact that you use Sueprduper rather than Retrospect. My freezing problems began long before I purchased Retrospect and installed it on this iMac. In fact, I purchased Retrospect because the frequent unexplained and unexpected failures of the iMac to boot made it essential to have a backup on an external drive.

Again, best of luck to you in getting your 500 GB Seagate HD replaced in quick order.

tom

Aug 31, 2007 2:57 PM in response to TomWheel

Tom, if your firewire backups are bootable like mine are with superduper, you could just assign your external back up drive as your boot drive in system preferences. Your external drive would replace your internal drive. If the problem recurrs then we know its not the seagate HD. If it does not, then it must be the seagate drive. Use the seagate drive to backup to. BTW, do you use any security software? I use Intego firewall and antivirus software. Apple technicians have said that security software is a potential cause of directory corruption.

Aug 31, 2007 6:26 PM in response to debeso

debesco,

No I don't have any security software on my Mac HD. My Retrospect backup is not a bootable backup. I have considered using Superduper for my backup software, but I am familiar with Retrospect having used it successfully for years on PC's.

One question about using Superduper to create a bootable external firewire drive. Does the external firewire drive have to be a single partition drive or can you partition any external firewire drive (of sufficient size, of course) and use a partition on that drive as the bootable disk?

Have you heard anything further on when you might get your iMac back from the Repair Center?

Tom

Sep 1, 2007 8:18 AM in response to TomWheel

As of 8/31 the Seagate 500 drive is no longer on back order status so they are hopeful that it will ship next week. I asked if I could pay for an upgrade to the 750 but was told that this would void my apple care coverage on the drive due to a change from the original specification!!! I have three bootable partitions on my firewire 800 external drive and a 4th partition for daily data backup. I have weekly and monthly automated backups at 3:00 am. When my hard drive crashes and fails to boot I just boot to the latest backup, run Disc warrior and Apple disc utility to repair the problem if possible. Typically I just use Superduper to erase and restore my primary hard drive and drag and drop my current data file to the newly restored drive. I also have a "sandbox" partition wich is a copy of your internal boot drive and also shares data files with your internal drive so you can try new programs and updates in the sandbox for as long as you wish to see if problems occur before loading them on your internal drive. If say you use only the sandbox for a week, when you reboot to your internal drive your data will be current.

Sep 1, 2007 9:11 AM in response to debeso

debeso,

Good luck on getting that new 500 GB Seagate drive installed. Amazing that Apple would not let you pay for an upgrade to the 750 GB without voiding your Apple Care coverage. I hope the new 500 GB drive solves your freezing problems. I am curious why, if you have bootable partitions on external firewire drives, was it necessary to leave your iMac at the Repair Center while they are waiting for the new 500 GB drive to arrive. Why not keep you iMac at home booting off the external bootable drive until the Repair Center calls you to tell you they have the 500 GB drive in stock? In other words, why was it necessary to leave you iMac at the Repair Center until they have the drive in stock to install in it? I ask these questions because if my iMac freezes again, it will be headed for my local Apple Store and I am just trying to find out what to expect when I take it in. Your replies have been really helpful and I thank you for sharing them with me.

Tom

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