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Frequent Serious Problems With New iMac - Advice Needed

In early March of this year I purchased a 24 in. iMac with a 2.33 GHz processor, 500 GB HD, and 256 Mb of video RAM for the 7300GT video card. For two weeks the computer ran perfectly, and then I got the spinning beachball of death (SBBOD) while browsing the Apple web site in Safari. I used all of the possible methods for force quitting Safari and unfreezing the iMac to no avail. Finally, I did a power button forced reboot and the computer would not reboot but gave only a forever spinning black circle against the Apple Logo silver screen. I purchased Apple Care Support at the time I bought the iMac. After being on the phone for more than an hour with Apple Support, the conclusion was that I would need to erase my Mac drive and reinstall the software. That is when I learned how painfully long the process is of installing OS X from the disks included with my iMac and the importance of having a good backup.

I spent the better part of a day formatting the HD and reinstalling OS X and restoring the contents of my HD from a Restrospect backup. All ran fine for about 3 weeks. I even purchased Aeprture and began cataloging my photo collection. After three days of working in Aperture, one day I was assigning ratings to images when suddenly I got the SBBOD which never went away and once again all of the above was repeated: phone call to Apple Support, one hour plus on the phone, need to reformat and reinstall the OS and restore the contents to the HD.

After this experience, I scoured the internet for information on software for properly maintaining my iMac and avoiding freezes. I learned about the OS X maintenance routines, Disk Warrior, etc. and began instituting weekly maintenance programs to clear caches, etc. on my iMac. All went well for approximately one month. During this time I experienced no problems and regularly ran the maintenance routines, repaired permissions, verified the disk in the Apple Disk Utility, and occasionally used Disk Warrior to check for directory problems. I also ran the Apple Hardware Diagnostic and everything came back OK. After about a month I was working in some piece of software (can't remember now which software), and again I experienced a freeze and the SSBOD followed by a failure to reboot as described previously. Once again after calling Apple Support I was advised to reformat, reinstall OS X, and restore the contents of my HD.

I did so and all ran well for about 5 weeks. Last Saturday night I was out for most of the evening and came home at 10 PM and opened Mac Mail. My mail starting downloading normally but seemed to take longer than usual. When it finished downloading, I discovered the Mac had frozen entirely and I soon got the SBBOD and found no way to unfreeze the computer short of the power button reboot. This time my computer did reboot, but I discovered that I was no longer on our LAN network so that Safari could not pull up a web page nor could I download my e-mail. I ran Disk Utility and repaired permissions, and then tried to verify the disk which failed and gave me the error of "invalid sibling link". Browsing these forums, I discovered that this meant that somehow my disk directory was corrupted. I booted from disk Warrior and ran the directory repair routine three times until it reported that the directory was fully repaired. I rebooted the machine and found that I had no internet connection still even though my iPhone and my PC's were all connecting fine to our LAN system. By booting the iMac from the Apple Installation disk we could clearly see that the LAN was being picked up so there was not a hardware problem with the ethernet port. Apple Support suggested doing an Archive and Install of the software. I spent two hours doing this only to have the Archive and Reinstall fail on the second of the two installation disks. It just hung about 80% of the way through the second part of teh installation and would proceed no further.

This time I resolved to do something different than just reformat the disk, reinstall OS X, and restore the contents of my HD. I again scoured the forums here and had no problems finding many instances similar to what I have experienced. Some, but not all of these, seemed to be solved by zeroing the HD -- something I had not previously done. Therefore, I spent 2 hours zeroing the HD (to map out bad blocks) before reinstalling OS X and restoring from my previous night's Retrospect backup. After zeroing the drive, I checked its S.M.A.R.T status and it was showing no problems.

Once again I am back up and running but only time will tell if I have succeeded in eliminating the freezing and other problems I have experienced with this iMac.

If you have taken the time to read my tale of woe, I would appreciate any advice you might care to give me. I have not taken the computer to the local Apple Store because I feel they would simply reinstall OS X and then tell me to restore my HD from my nightly backup and that all is fine. I have decided that if I have another freeze that corrupts my HD and I have to repeat the process I have now done four times in 4 months, I will take this computer to the local Apple Store and insist that the 500 GB internal drive be replaced with a new drive. I really cannot think of anything else to do. Any other suggestions?

Thank you for reading and responding.

Tom

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 2.33 GHz processor

Posted on Aug 20, 2007 10:31 AM

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Sep 3, 2007 8:23 AM in response to TomWheel

I had contemplated retreiving my Imac from the apple store until the drive came in but now that they are hopefull that it will ship next week and I have a reliable PC as a backup, I am inclined to just wait it out. I just read a thread by Sappire71 on june 22 who was waiting for his 500gb hd in 24" imac to be replaced. After one week he had been told it would be another 7-10 days wait. In this same thread rusty rat comments that he had spoken to the Apple shop and that it seems that there may be a bad batch of 500gb drives out there. He had encountered an invalid sibling link like us. With many of the posts re the 500gb problem it seems that the computer was purchased early '07. Bought mine in 2/10/07 from Apple store. When did you purchase yours? You would think that if they are from the same lot, Apple would have the decency to contact us rather than wait for the customer to complain. You would also think that Apple would have the decency to priortize its supply of 500gb drives for repair of failing drives rather than new customers. Last week there was no mention of a wait for 24"imac with 500gb drive when i did a mock purchasee on line. Another issue I need to address is erasing all data on my old drive since it will go back to Apple and no longer be my property. There are many discussions of 500bg 24" Imacs with directory corruption which end with the local Apple store replacing the HD but I don't get confirmation the the new drive solves the problem. I guess no news is good news.

Sep 3, 2007 9:34 AM in response to debeso

debeso,

I understand now why you are leaving your iMac at the Apple Store, and I truly hope that you are able to get a replacement HD and that it solves the problem. Yes, I am aware that there are numerous reports of 24 in. iMacs having 500 GB Seagate drives which are failing and which are having the internal HD replaced by Apple. It is also clear from the comments of the Apple technician earlier in this thread that Apple is fully aware of this problem but is refusing to take any action to notify purchasers of the 24 in. iMac with the Seagate 500 GB drive of a potential problem. Even worse, as you stated, they are making no effort to have good 500 GB drives in stock to replace those that are failing. Frankly, it makes me wonder what Apple Care is really worth.

In fact, my experience with this iMac and with Apple Support (or the lack thereof) has caused me to delay the planned purchase of a 8-core Mac Pro -- something that I had planned to do back in July. If Apple is not going to provide adequate support for an iMac, I would not expect them to do so for a Mac Pro either and the latter is a very large financial investment.

I purchased my iMac about one month after you did during the first week in March of this year.

I have now taken out an "insurance" policy on my iMac by hooking up a firewire external drive that I was using on my PC to my iMac, reformatting the drive and using Retrospect to clone the internal HD to the external firewire drive. I then verified that I could boot nicely from the external firewire drive. In the event of an internal HD failure that will cause the machine not to boot from the internal HD, I shall boot from the external HD and use my nightly Retrospect backup to do a complete restore of the internal HD. This is far easier and much much faster than the format, reinstall of OS X, and total restore that I had been doing. Thanks for suggesting this in an earlier post.

Please do continue to keep me posted on the saga of your 24 in. iMac's HD replacement. I suspect it is only a matter of time before I follow in your footsteps, and your experiences are valuable to me.

Tom

Sep 9, 2007 9:04 AM in response to TildeBee

debsco and Bee,

Thanks dbsco for keeping us posted on how your iMac repair is coming. It is truly discouraging to hear that the HD apparently is not the cause of the freezing issues that you have experienced. Please do continue to post to this thread and let me know how things are progressing with respect to your iMac repair.

Bee, so far I have not had one single problem since my latest posts on this Forum. My iMac has been responsive and performing beautifully, it has now been approximately one month I believe, and I keep my fingers crossed every time I use the machine. I am working from a fresh install of both OS X (with all updates, of course) and a fresh install of my applications.

I do appreciate your asking and for all the help that you and others who posted to this thread have given to me.

Tom

Sep 17, 2007 9:22 PM in response to TomWheel

After 3 weeks, I finally got my iMac back with new HD, logic board and GE Force 7600 graphics card. They reproduced the problem runing multiple programs like chess continuously for 24-48 hours after new 500mb HD and subsequently logic board but then noticed artifact on the monitor which led them to conclude that the problem was bad VRAM on the graphics board which could cause sporadic directory corruption on the HD. With the new 7600 card the computer is so far problem free despite their 72 hour stress test. I can't fault Apple for faulty VRAM on a GE force card. I will let you know if the problem ever recurrs but since there was clearly a graphics card problem which was immediately resolved with a new card I suspect the original issue has been solved. I don't know why the new logic board seemed to unmask the bad VRAM. Most of my delay was waiting for the locic board and HD to ship. Perhaps you could request that your local Apple store have one or both of these available before they repair your computer. Ironically, they could have repaired my Imac the morning I took it in if they had known it was the graphics card.

Sep 18, 2007 9:40 AM in response to debeso

debeso,

Thanks for keeping us informed on the status of you iMac repair. It is very interesting that your problem apparently turned out to be bad VRAM on the 7600 card. I hope that this solves all of your issues with your iMac. Please do keep us posted if you experience further problems.

As for my own 24 in. iMac, it has been trouble free now for about a month and I am hopeful that it will continue to be so. I have never seen any evidence of problems with the VRAM on this iMac, i.e. I have never noticed any video artifacts whatsoever on this machine. So I am keeping my fingers crossed, that zeroing the HD and reinstalling the OS and software applications throughly solved my problems.

I don't think it would do me any good to suggest to my local Apple store that they have both a logic board and a new HD in stock. They are going to have what they have in stock regardless of what I say. However, if I do need to take my iMac in to the Apple store, I do not plan to leave it for 1-3 weeks waiting for them to get a part in. I now have an external firewire drive that contains a fresh installation of OS X and all of my software and I can always boot from this is problems arise, as they did in the past, with my internal HD. I'll just take the computer to the Apple store, let them diagnose the problem and then bring it home with me and wait until the Apple store gets whatever they have ordered in stock. Obviously, I hope none of this will be necessary.

Tom

Nov 15, 2007 9:44 AM in response to TomWheel

In as much as I received significant help from several individuals who posted to this long thread, I wanted to post a final update. I have used my iMac for more than three months without a single freeze or other issue after zeroing the internal HD and doing and Archive and Install of Tiger. I believe that in the case of my problems this clearly shows that the internal HD needed zeroing in order to map out bad sectors on the disk. Prior to zeroing out the internal HD I had done at least two Archive and Installs that had not solved my freezing problem. for more than a few days.

Shortly after Leopard was released, I purchased it and did and Archive and Install with Preserve User Settings enabled. I am delighted to say that I have not had a single freeze in any of the many applications (including all of the Final Cut Studio 2 applications, Aperture, and many other apps) since installing Leopard a month ago.

In summary, thanks to some excellent advice given to me in this long thread, I was able to address successfully a serious problem that had considerably reduced my enjoyment of switching to a Mac and the Mac operating system. I am most appreciative to all of those in the thread above that offered help and encouragement.

Tom

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