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iPod 160GB - the good and the bad new

I received my iPod 160GB this morning. Here are some of my first impressions.

The good news:
I was a bit worried about speed issues and/or crashing as posted on this forum, but my iPod seems to work without any major speed issues, and I haven't encountered any crash so-far. The content is about 60GB of music, lots of covers, 2 movies, agenda and contacts. Even cover flow has a very acceptable speed (faster than on my dual G5 PowerMac), though I wonder its suitability with an amount of covers associated with 160GB of music. The only performance issue I encounter when I go back to the main menu, where arbitrary cover art is shown using Ken Burn effects. I guess a bit of caching can solve this issue.

The bad news:
Sound quality. The good thing is that it's more crisp than the iPod Video 5G 60GB (more loudness > 8kHz) adding to a pronunced sort of accuracy with cymbals and percussion beats, but a bit too crisp from a timbre standpoint of view (reminds me a bit of my iPod 3G). It also has less energy in the lower mid-range (200-800Hz), so it misses some push and harmonics. Overall this results in a less harmonic sound, less spatial (the scene is inside your head instead of around your head), a bit too much emphasis on high treble, and "less silence between the notes". It sounds more technical, and less acoustical/realistic. The output of my PowerMac G5 resembles the iPod Video much more than the iPod Classic. I suspect there is a mismatch in the group delay of the treble, where the treble arrives "faster" than the lower frequencies. That's a typical error in DA-conversion and filtering, that can be fixed by FIR filtering, or masked by a slight attenuation (0.1-0.3dB of treble starting from 8kHz).
Some say it is a small issue, but I think it is a huge issue.

Annoyances/strange things:
- Sound quality. A bit more natural and acoustical instead of technical.
- When the screen blanks during playing, it shows a clock, and a battery indicator. When music plays I'd like to see where in the track I am, what number is playing etc., without having to touch the iPod to wake its screen up.
- EU sound limit. With my Sennheiser HD650 and some soft recordings, it is too soft. I hope for a fast update of GoPod, to be able to accomplish normal sound levels.
- Clicker hardly audible through the headphones.
- Everywhere album art in the main menu, except for the "Now Playing" menu, which only shows a title.

Some bugs:
- The time shown when the screen blanks is always in US (no AM/PM!) format instead of the selected 24h format in the preferences.
- The date is always shown in US format (m/d/y instead of d/m/y).
- Home addresses and office addresses in the address book are all mentioned as home address on the iPod.
- The camera connector doesn't work.
- Equalizer heavily distorting. It is amazing that this is the case since the 1G iPod, and nothing has ever been done to fix this.

I hope a firmware update will solve things quickly. Especially the sound quality issue should be solved; this is the primary reason to buy an iPod.

Marc

Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Sep 11, 2007 12:36 PM

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Apr 15, 2008 1:24 PM in response to Marc Heijligers1

Called AppleCare this morning while in the car... went over my list of complaints about the sound quality compared to the previous generation. They made the usual suggestions to reset, resync, etc.

I then asked the important question: Does Apple acknowledge these problems as a known issue? (long, long pause...) "Yes" Is there a fix released for these problems? (shorter pause) "Not at this time"

So, there's hope... they also said that if the troubleshooting doesn't fix the distortion, etc., that I should return it for service... hmmm...

Jul 18, 2008 9:05 PM in response to Marc Heijligers1

Apple probably doesn't give a crap about us Classic iPod users. To busy fiddling with the useless and unnecessary Touch.

I'm very angry with this company that I used to heartily support. I blew upwards 300 on a 6G 80gig and I'm so disappointed. It never crossed my mind that Apple would take a step BACKWARDS in terms of sound quality. I really just want some answers. Was it for money, was it cheaper for them? I don't get it.

I'm hoping that something is fixed at the next Expo, either a new product is announced or maybe just a firmware update for us. Something.

By the way, for those still suffering. The "Piano" EQ setting helps... ever so slightly.

Message was edited by: bsb0085

Aug 12, 2008 11:40 PM in response to Marc Heijligers1

First 160GB iPod had a screen defect --> exchanged it promptly.

Second one made me painfully aware of the 2 second skip problem. Thought, "This could not possibly be a design defect; it MUST be a defective unit." Exchanged it too.

The third 160GB iPod made me realize that the 2 second skip is more of a 'feature' than it was a defect with the second unit. Now, I'm very happy that I purchased from Costco where I can return what I feel to be a poorly designed and inherently flawed product.

I've already posted feedback to Apple, but am not holding my breath for any kind of response.

Guess I'll have to do a lot of research on future iPod models to see if these flaws are cleaned up prior to even considering another iPod purchase.

iPod 160GB - the good and the bad new

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