Logic vs Pro Tools

I'm a PT LE user with a Mbox 2 interface. I find it kind of hard to get it operating well with my MacBook. I've read plenty on the Digidesign user forum, and it's frustrating how much tweaking of the OS X you're supposed to take care of, just to get PT stable! You have to turn off this and that, you can't use the Apple software upgrades, you'll have to get an ultrafast FW harddrive etc.

For this reason, I've also considered switching to Logic. I figure, since it's an Apple developed software, it'll just be to fire up and start recording with optimal performance right away. Am I right, you Logic users?

i like both, for music (songwriting, recording music, editing and mastering) i prefer logic, only because i know logic from the scratch, when the name was notator and was running on atari- anybody remembers:-)? for everthing with picture (postpro etc.) we like protools the most. so, it´s an old and somehow useless discussion. let´s see, how the "new" logic looks on our screens in everyday work. for me i like the look very much.

vacuvox, I read your post with great interest. It seems that you really know what you are saying. This is why I'm asking you this. I'd be very interested in your opinion about it.

Don't you think Logic was always considered to be the program more aimed at the amateurs if compared to ProTools, which always seems to be what the Big Guys are using? I think the new look only emphasizes this. More colors, the live rig feature etc all seem to me as if they are especially for the folks who have ambitions but are not really professionals working in the music production/recording/mixing/mastering business. Also the post production professionals I have talked to never use Logic. I don't know the new ver.8 yet, but Logic 7 never really had all the time code features to really edit your audio to a movie. It worked somehow, but ProTools was the way to do this.

I've been a long time user of Logic for the PC at home (5.5.1), recently upgraded to 7, and I also use Pro Tools in-depth at school.

I find the speed at which you can manipulate audio, cut/paste/mash etc in pro tools is unbeatable, but there's no way it will replace Logic as my primary DAW. That said, I do have an MBox 2 Pro on order, so i can use both at home

You keep saying things like this, but:
a) You haven't used the software.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. I'm looking to buy Logic Studio and from reading some of the remarks, I don't get the impression that some of the commenters have even used Logic. One doesn't even seem to know that this forum is for a new version of Logic.

Another seems to think that this is just a cosmetic upgrade, which just seems incredible to anyone who has read the 'new features' list.

Luckily for me, the discussion just reeks of a bunch of Pro Tools fan boys who seem to be afraid of the competition. And very easy to spot.

I have always used logic and Pro Tools for the last 14 years and i agree with that guy,


The main features logic users wanted over the last 8 years is that the audio editing matched up to Pro Tools, this is a fact.

While logic makes it easy to compose music with midi and audio loops., as well for anyone performing live takes, the same problem arises all the time, when editing it is NOT as accurate at all like Pro Tools.

Now if anyone gets all pumped up and offended by this they are simply dishonest, this is all fact, Pro Tools was made to virtually replace or compliment a conventional studio environment, this is why tehre are focusrite plugs etc etc, Logic was always something to provide composers with features beyond the doubt, but editing tools do NOT at all reflect conventional situations in big rooms but rather depend on your computer and OS, like leopard tomorrow.

I use logic 90 percent of the time for music, film, live performances on stage along with Ableton Live.

But i still use a M-Powered Pro Tools set up just to edit accurate vocal takes, vocal harmonies, voice overs, sound fx to picture and i do this since Logic is not that PRO to keep up unless you have HD hardware backing it up, even then the audio editing still becomes a major issue when you need to lock to picture with accurate automation and editing, sorry but this is why it is no longer called Logic AUDIO., its logic Studio Pro now.

I do not think its fair to jump on anyone about the facts mentioned above, i do wish logic had the audio tools like pro tools.

peace

...errr... sorry for asking, but do you know Logic?...

I mean properly... to get a professional work done. I know PT pretty well and the only thing I miss in L7 and before is the ability to align phases in the arrange. That and proper PDC because my MIDI gets early, but giving the lousy MIDI implementation in PT is not something to compare. You have to print MIDI in both with the difference that PT is a toy (and a bad one) in that department.

I also worked in a studio where everything I did was bounced to PT and when I had to mix there (with a really good PT engineer) was a pain for me. After a while he begun to ask me how I did that stuff... then I forced him to help me with a project to be mixed directly in Logic (with the SSL and the outboard). He coudn´t believe how fast I navigate and edit stuff and how solid it was ( Logic 5.5 Windows 98, 512mb).

In my opinion there´s anything that can´t be done in Logic. The engineers like PT because is simple, and their work is not as creative as the musician for the most part, but I don´t have a problem with complexity...In fact I prefer Logic´s way any day. I used to make good records with Notator and a 24 track... so tell me about toys 20 years later.

Most of the people I see in post pro are people that do that the same way they can drive a taxi... it´s a job and they don´t want problems... PT is the standard so they go there (the same way a cab driver wants the most expensive car the owner can afford), but if Logic dies I´ll jump to Samplitude in a moment (...well I´ll take a while...:) ) I don´t consider PT at all, and believe me I make my living with this since 1987 and can afford it if it is really needed.

Now, there´s a lot to improve, but calling it a toy...

with all respect 🙂

Aaron H wrote:
Both PT and Logic are great aps. Unless you are getting into PTHD however, there is not much room to grow with PTLE.

Being locked into LE hardware is a major disadvantage IMHO.

That is false, Pro Tools has always been ahead with 3rd party developers providing virtual emulations of the very gear we all seen in the big rooms since the Beatles can remember., we are talking HD not LE though., even LE works great, just that they (apple and Avid) are competitors so forget the expectations of them working in harmony unless its a HD system with Logic as its interface,

The difference is price, AVID is the greediest most notorious evil company that capitalized on the market, yes capitalized, and if you do not like it your a communists and that is there attitude, and of-course i do not like this, who does, its BIAS and if Avid ever handed down there HD hardware at the prices of Ensemble i bet everyone here would switch to PRo Tools and use logic's interface,

How about you, if a HD system costed only 1500€ (128 tracks), would you buy it?

dj_stick wrote:
I've been a long time user of Logic for the PC at home (5.5.1), recently upgraded to 7, and I also use Pro Tools in-depth at school.

I find the speed at which you can manipulate audio, cut/paste/mash etc in pro tools is unbeatable, but there's no way it will replace Logic as my primary DAW. That said, I do have an MBox 2 Pro on order, so i can use both at home

SAME HERE! 🙂

Logic is a personal music production (pre production) tool

Pro Tools is made as a professional, conventional editing and recording program to compliment big rooms with tie lines and house sync etc.

get it guys? 😉

Have you even tried the new version?

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One quick but useful way to think about it is if you use MIDI and virtual instruments and edit audio at the bar level (moving bars of audio around, say), Logic is great.

If you need to edit audio tightly (fix the timing of tracks you've recorded, say, like make your lame drum part sound tight), Logic doesn't come close to cutting it.

Or if you do sound for YouTube clips, Logic is fine. But if you do sound for film/TV, Logic won't cut it.

If you do loop stuff, dance music, even orchestral mockups, Logic kills PT.

imho

{quote:title=Till von Reumont wrote:} Don't you think Logic was always considered to be the program more aimed at the amateurs if compared to ProTools, which always seems to be what the Big Guys are using?{quote}

Hi Till, well... I've been making a living at this for almost 20 years now. I've been using Logic (since it was called Notator) all along. I know many film composers doing some very big gigs using Logic for everything. So you tell me... is it amateurish to use Logic? ProTools is simple and focussed. It does some jobs very well. But, I swear, I have no problem doing the same functions in Logic - and, as another forum member claims, I have surprised more than a few ProTools engineers with the capability and speed of Logic. And ProTools is not capable of doing many of the things I need a workstation to do. So - for my situation - it's just not the best choice.

The way I worked with LP7.2.3, seemed to find some pretty nasty bugs (weird noise at the beginnings of a bounce, end of song marker moving mysteriously on it's own, drop punching with cycle left gaps, etc). This made using it with clients virtually impossible, so I've been waiting. LP8 arrives tomorrow and I'll see. I did not see a Beat Detective equivalent in the feature list.

If LP8 had a real beat detective like PT, I don't think I'd need to use PT much. Audiosuite features are the other main missing tool, although being able to use a bus as a channel input will lessen the need for that.

Beat Detective and I'm sold....assuming it's stable and the bugs are mostly gone now.

This a debate that could never end. I just signed for the Logic Studio upgrade because I want to use it as a front end for PT HD3 since it is now compatible. If it was not for HD I would prefer Logic, to me the LE version although surely great lost a lot of appeal with Logic Studio at $499 on a Mac Pro 8 core.
But when come to sound quality PT HD is superb. Plus when you run on TDM you can also use all native plugins in RTAS mode. So with PT HD you have all the advantage of relative stability and all the advantage of native plugins too. The problem with the HD system is that it is very expensif. I got it anyway few momth ago but I am happy, Yes it is that good. I am not a big fan od Avid/Digidesign however their superior snobish French/English attitude creeps me out.
I dont want to be associated with any of this attitude I am just a simple guy making music.
But I want the best and unfortunately their is only one name PT HD.
Some of you may remimber Ensoniq PARIS that was a PT competitor that went Belly up. Cost me 5k
back in 1998.