Logic vs Pro Tools

chucknkd wrote:

many many many times of "HEY, what if you did THIS with this part or THIS with this other part, i wonder what that would sound like?! oh wait, you cant do that in Logic unless you bounce it out and bring it back in, but even then you still cant DO what im hearing. what about trying it THIS way to get that effect? no cant do it that way either.(5 mins later) CRAP!! what was the idea again?" or how about comping a vocal from 28 passes? definitely NOT fun in Logic (not 'fun' in PTs either, but way faster and easier),


I think it depends on your workflow. I know PT correctly, to the point of get the job done, but I don`t like it at all and try to avoid it as much as possible; and I know Logic very well. I also work with engineers that are PT masters. They can`t comp vocal takes as fast as I do it in Logic. To me Logic is better that PT doing that. Comping drum takes is a diferent story, but I´ve done it using folders for a rough and later doing the fine job. I have no problem at all with the other part of your post, where you say what if you do this to this part and this to that part... Maybe I`m thinking on different theses, but other than bounce in place (wich is not a big deal using a digital loop or rerecording a Bus in L8), I can`t think what you mean.

I`m a musician, not an engineer. Engineers like PT for several reasons and I think they are right, but I don´t like it and don't want to see its ugly face in my studio 🙂 . From time to time I found situations that I know are far easy to deal with in PT, but most of the time Logic is a lot better IMHO, so please stop asking this program to be like PT; not everyone wants that. If you like PT than use PT, if you like both then use both, or evaluate your needs and stick with the one that fits your needs the better. Personally I like Logic`s maverick style.

gpiccolini wrote:
I think it depends on your workflow.

i think youre exactly right here. but thats exactly THE thing that has drawn me to the different programs, the workflow and ease to get a specific job done.

gpiccolini wrote:
... Maybe I`m thinking on different theses, but other than bounce in place (wich is not a big deal using a digital loop or rerecording a Bus in L8), I can`t think what you mean.

bounce in-place is a great addition to L8, but the kinds of things im talking about are things which would require doing this a few times to the same piece of audio. the ability to apply an effect directly to the wave (as some suggested, having soundtrack pros audio editing built directly into the arrange window with out the need for separate editor or even the need to go into the 'audio editor) would be a huge step towards a better world:-)

gpiccolini wrote:
I`m a musician, not an engineer.

i have to do both, so i kinda drift to what i need to use at the time.

gpiccolini wrote:
so please stop asking this program to be like PT; not everyone wants that. If you like PT than use PT, if you like both then use both, or evaluate your needs and stick with the one that fits your needs the better.

i personally dont want Logic to BE like PTs, it just has some GREAT things about it, that if implemented into Logic, would benefit everyone and make it even more appealing to the masses.

i still have a hard time seeing Logic around in 6-7 years. i mean, any other app that apple releases has some pretty big fanfare and hype to them. L8 had what, an email the morning it was announced? after 2 1/2 years for the 'next' version? plus, the additions to Logic werent that drastic. maybe a few standouts, but mostly standouts FOR logic and not ground breaking to the industry as a whole.

its still the program i use for 75-80% of what i do, but when it comes time to really fine tune things, PTs get booted up, and i especially cant wait to see the new version 🙂

off topic, i would love to see logic get some new quantize settings, such as MPC type settings. (check out the new reason4 btw)

cheers and peace!

"PTHD is a true PRO recording studio a complete package, reliable."

Completely disagree. It's not remotely complete as evidenced by the many many addon packages required to even get the functionality included with Logic. And in my experience it's not any more reliable than Logic is, I've had at least as many PT crashes as logic crashes.

I wish there was one app that was the best at both audio and midi, as well as 100% reliable, but right now I doubt that exists.

May be for you but for me PTHD is very reliable is Logic is Not. That is my experience. Of course I love Logic for Midi, but all my editing and mixing is done in PT if only for the sound quality and the quality of the Plugins, Have had a chance to work with McDSP? TDM only. Ehen I purchased PTHD in Feb 2007
I installed it, never had a problem did not have to re-installed or do any adjustment, everything works on day one, I have logic a almost 2 weeks and I had to re-install 3 times, Instruments list not completed, Blinking arrange window, did not launch. How is it possible to compare Logic and PTHD on reliability, Why is it that it is the choice of engineer all over the world. I went to the AES convention in NYC last week Digidesign stand was packed with people, Logic was not even present.
Dont get me wrong I am not trying to lut Logic down Just in it's rigth place. And I love L8 too.
People are trying to compare both all the time But they dont address the same market, PTHD never compare itself with Logic. In the Digidesign forum There are few remarks on L8 that's all.
People should not compare them and try to make logic in the same class as PT. It is not.
However Logic is IMO the best native DAW in the world. It is just an amazing value. PTHD is the best PRO application that is costing way too much (Their sampler Structure and Goliath samples cost $1200).
All I am stating in my humble opinion based on experience
be well
Eric

Glad PT has been reliable for you, have you really only been using it since february? Good luck with software and OS updates. I care about how it works for me, not about things like booths at a convention.

Of all the threads that have appeared here this one may be the silliest.

ProTools HD is the industry standard in post production houses and for a number of reasons, some valid, some not, and no matter how much the others improve that is not likely to change in the forseeable future.

Which by no means means that it should or should not be your DAW of choice. People, pick the one you like from the several excellent ones available and stop wasting your time trying to convince others you have made the best choice.

I disagree with much of the above. Logic is widely used on major films, TV, records, you name it. Yes it can "cut it." It edits audio tightly, at the sample level if you like. So does Protools. PT is also fine for moving audio and/or MIDI around at the bar level.

There's very little, if anything, that one program can do that can't be done with the other. This is equally true for MIDI and audio.

People have habits, not only in the way they work, but in the way they think. PT comes out of a traditional console and tape paradigm, and Logic has it's roots as a MIDI "sequencer." They have different user interfaces and require different methods or workflow. I use both and find PT more streamlined for audio and Logic more streamlined for MIDI. I might have a reason to start a project in one vs the other, but never find it necessary or even compelling to switch once the audio/midi focus changes.

Neither is perfect, both are fine. Anyone who tells you that PT doesn't do MIDI or that Logic doesn't do audio is someone that hasn't had much real world experience with either. Reading forums is an entirely different matter.

well said.

Hi Mike
Yes I purchased PTHD3 in Feb 2007 I know I have Little experience in it but it is all positive. (Except the 30K price tag). Before I used L7 and before that Digital Performer and before that PARIS PRO (Now out of business). The reason I said what I said is because I took a break from recording/mixing music....
But what I said is only my opinion not the truth.....PT is not better than L8 there are two different things they shoud'nt be compared is my opinion. There are both excellent tools. I know Logic is used in Films but so is Digital Performer....
Live long and prosper....
Make great music
Eric