Create DDP image from VIDEO_TS folder

Hi. I have a mastered DVD-R for DVD-5 replication. The replicator is requesting a DDP image - can I create a DDP image with DVDSP4 from the VIDEO_TS folder? Or from a disc image of the DVD? I don't have the DVDSP project - just the disc. The replicator is waiting! Any help greatly appreciated!!

PB G4 Titanium, Mac OS X (10.4.8), DVDSP4

Posted on Oct 12, 2007 3:49 PM

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Oct 14, 2007 6:04 AM in response to Eric Pautsch1

There is another professional tool for creating DDP Images, Eric; and it should be in the arsenal of every licensed facility that pre-masters for third parties (It's needed when DVDAfterEdit can't load a VIDEO_TS folder, for instance).

For one, Gear Pro Mastering Edition should not be used for formatting. I know you haven't been testing Images for 5 years from that application like I have, and probably haven't tested a single one from the app; but trust me, don't bother (I worked closely with Gear Software for a time; helping come up with their published method for creating DVD-9's; and then gave up on them after a time - then going into the development of DVDAfterEdit).

And just like I've said before - (please see my latest 'brotherly admonishment' to Eric in this thread today: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1175655&tstart=0 ) - a studio should be ultra careful with their Images they submit for replication; and in fact, should consider sending their files to a facility that can handle their Image with more care than they can.

Anyway, what's going on Eric? I think I know, but would like to hear the truth from you; as it is my sworn obligation, since 1999, to help keep good authors out of trouble - which you seem to be now tending them into.

Thanks,

Trai

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Trai Forrester
TFDVD Research Labs
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Oct 13, 2007 1:58 PM in response to Trai_Forrester

Whats going on? I don't know...the guys having problems and I'm offering to help him out. What's going on with you? I run a small 1 man company offering my services and you come right back saying your better. You provide a great service and I offer it to every client I get....and even plug your site often when authors hit a wall. But I've come to believe not every title is doomed to failure if they don't come to you first - especially if someone's on a tight budget.

If this forum is going to be a place for us to offer our services back and forth I'll promise to direct every person who's having issues to your site...is that OK? Better yet, why don't we just not offer any of our services to anyone. I feel odd doing that anyway on this forum. I don't make money by writing DLTs from DVDSP builds anyway and have MOSTLY done it for free for folks here just because I feel bad about the situation they're in (because I've been there as well).

Trai, which way do you want it? Do you want me to give folks the link to your site or would you prefer we not offer any of our services unless were willing to do it for free for some poor author who obviously doesn't have much of a budget anyway. You make the call and I'll promise to uphold it.

I'm not here to make money and will never plug my company's services on any public forum again. However, I kind of feel as if you looking at me as a competitor...which is kinda weird.

Eric

Message was edited by: Eric Pautsch1

Oct 14, 2007 6:02 AM in response to Eric Pautsch1

Eric,

OK. It may seem like I took off a little on you, and it's true, I’ll admit. But let me fully pour out the real reason that caused my replies, and address the underlying injustice that I believe you’ve done to me personally, to King and Jonathan in the threads here, and to the DVD industry as a whole; not to mention to yourself.

I saw your offers to do jobs here for two good authors. The first thing I did was to go to your brand new website. I was shocked and dismayed to see some of its contents.

Where do I begin?

(For those who want to follow along: http://www.poweragemedia.com/services.html )

First, your “one man shop just wanting to help out and not charge”, is advertising on that site that you have Eclipse, MEI DVD-Video Verifier, Sonic Scenarist, and player banks – all capabilities I have, and that I know you are not licensed for and/or do not have - any of them. So, It seemed that site was trying to say it had the same capabilities I have.

Unbelievable!

On your “Services” page under “Pre-Mastering and Disc Verification” you say:

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“With a final MEI and Eclispe report, you can be assured your title will be replicated without errors or issues. These reports check your disc's file structure and DVD specification compliance. In addition, we delivery all our titles on Type IV DLT tape - the replication standard.”
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Btw, two mistakes with the above quote – you misspell Eclipse, and no report ever checked any file structure or DVD Specification compliance.

If this were true what you advertise, and that you indeed, have Eclipse and MEI, then you would have never heard a peep out of me, and you would be offering King and Jonathan a great service.

But since I am the one with this capability in house (it doesn’t work cost and time-wise to try to contract these several testing services to others; that's why I can offer such a reasonable price to everyone), and am licensed with those tools, to see someone else I know that doesn’t have them, advertises to my market that they do, does cause a situation (to put it mildly).

So, I repeat from my last reply, ‘what are you thinking, Eric?’

And then, under the “Quality Control and Player Compatibility Testing” heading on the same Services page you say:

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“With several year experience and testing under out belts, your disc will have the widest player compatibility worldwide. We've developed our player banks based on proven data gathered over the last several years. This service was once only offered to major theatrical releases until now.”
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Since you seem to not have been truthful with the other capabilities you advertise, I’m going to have to question that you even have a player bank (I know you don’t have player “banks”). Oh, and you know that I’ve been offering player bank testing services for at least two and a half years already, why would you say “This service was once only offered to major theatrical releases until now”?

The other services on your site, especially your “Complete Re-authoring Services” where you say:

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“Our most unique service! We Specialize in re-authoring or amending discs from which the source files have been lost or corrupted. Using only your VIDEO_TS or image file, we can add logos, change menu attributes, speed up functionality and compatibility and even add or change subtitles.

This service is often useful to distributors who have recently bought older titles and wish to add their current logo or make other amendments to a disc.”
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This is also especially dangerous, as you’re talking about making radical changes to the structure of third party clients’ DVDs, and with no tools to check to see what you’ve done is correct!? Early on, during DVDAfterEdit’s development, I was testing customer’s projects to make sure their changes were good; some of them went into runs of over a million. The idea for TFDVD Research Labs sprung up during this time, as I could see I was helping unleash a great power, but I knew a lot of folks could get in big trouble. I spent the $10,000 to get the MEI License and dongle. I would be disrespecting my customers if I didn’t have it.

Importing a simple VOB into another DVD, by itself, can cause lots of errors, if you don't know where else in the data to make some setting changes. I better stop with the description right here of what all could go wrong with adjustments in DVDAfterEdit, if one doesn't know what they're doing and have the verification tools.

Am I not being consistent here? If I ‘jump’ on you for simply writing a third parties Image to DLT without verification tools, wouldn’t I be amiss if I didn’t call you on your falsely advertised ability to make and then verify massive changes to a good authors DVDs?

So, Eric, what am I to think? How am I to respond? Do you see how I might think of this website of yours as ‘stealing’ from me, due to even a perceived 'illegal competition' (of course I know you're not competing with me!)? For sure, as is, your website takes from me my site's uniqueness, as far as listed capabilities, even if your site the way it is a lie.

I’d be more than happy to help you get licensed with those tools. For sure, there would go your “do it for free” attitude in a heartbeat, when you lay out that kind of expenditure! And then you could be right with any clients; not to mention me.

And as far as whether or not all projects should go through me, you’re right, they don’t have to; only the “doomed from the outset” Images should be sent to me, so I can prevent disaster for the production company (I’ve seen three company’s go under over the years from Disc playback blowups in the market and repeated Image submission failures; and too many bad studio/client/lost client situations to count). But since the authoring studio, nor you, is going to know which Images are the bad ones, it follows that they all be sent to me; which is the best advise someone can give an author that inquires - trying to be a 'nanny' won’t help them; both of you are put at risk.

So, I hope it's clearer now: That you started offering to do services here, and at the same time put up a new website with fictitious major capabilities, the whole of which only I offer in our industry; I felt it my duty, as well as to act for legitimate business reasons, to say something.

I fully expect you to make things right,

Thanks,

Trai

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Trai Forrester
TFDVD Research Labs
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Oct 14, 2007 4:31 AM in response to Trai_Forrester

Trai

Those future Eclipse/MEI jobs were going to be reserved for you. But I guess I have to get on the horn monday and find other's rates for this work - Thanks big guy! Unfortunately, most knowledgeable clients think its not worth their money no matter how much I try to convince them. Sorry Trai I wish I could have given you even more work than I already did.

I own a Scenarist (you knew that) and a capable set of players for testing as well.

Done about 55 re-authors with AfterEdit with no problems what so ever. You designed the tool - Why would you question it? Oh, I forgot, you sold your share to Larry...thats right! It's no longer your tool..Hmmmmm. Have also written over 400 DLTs with it with no problems. So I guess I don't really understand what you mean by "fictitious major capabilities". I, as a company, offer all those services - although I admit, I vendor out verification. Trai, your not the only person or company that offers these services so get over yourself.

I don't make money verifying DDP images or writing tapes or even authoring. I sit all day with After Effects designing menus - that's it. (that reminds me - I need to post my motion menu designs on the site 🙂 )

DVD design is my passion and I love it and enjoy helping people on these forums but if your going to start hassling me like you did Jake, Alex, Bruce and all the rest then I'll make this my last post. Been thinking about this lately and I've been spending about an hour a day reading and answering threads for several years now and think I need to find better ways to spend that hour.

Trai, not sure what kind of bug crawled up your aasshole but your posts here indicate your either a complete dickk, stupid or have an acute case of psychopathy. I'm guessing #1 🙂 Be a man...if you have a problem with me or my site give me a call and cuss me out. Thanks for the spelling correction though.

Anyway...thanks everyone for all your time. I learned alot from everyone. I'll post more on AfterEdit's site once HDAfterEdit gets online and the Tully list (Where, God willing, I'll be safe from Trai 🙂 Wait...before I go...lets see how many points I have....830! Woo Hoo! I really was hoping to bring Drew to his knees..oh well! 🙂

Bye Ya All
E

Message was edited by: Eric Pautsch1

Oct 14, 2007 6:03 AM in response to Eric Pautsch1

General Notice:

In the future, would anyone who plans to list my licenses as their own capability on their website please let me know in advance, so we can discuss? Or, at least send an email, with something to the effect of: "Hey Trai, check out this link....surprise!!"

That would definitely help keep things a little tidier.

Thanks,

Trai

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Trai Forrester
TFDVD Research Labs
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Oct 16, 2007 11:00 AM in response to king kahuna

Is this a feasible way of creating a DDP Fileset..

1) copy the Build folder with the VIDEO TS/AUDIOTS folders somewhere to the drive.
2) Go to format from DVDSP
3) For the source choose the Build Folder you just copied
4) For Destination change the ouutput device to Hard Drive and choose DDP
5) Click format and DONE

I've done this before for certain titles and it works fine.

Oct 16, 2007 1:26 PM in response to Ryan Aquino

Good one Ryan,

That will work for single layer titles. For dual layer projects, you'll need to save the .LAY files generated by DVD SP inside the VIDEO_TS folder for later use: which is needed by the formatter to find the chosen layer break location. Without specific .Lay files, DVD SP will be unable to format those lone, big ole VIDEO_TS folders.

Thanks,

Trai

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Trai Forrester
TFDVD Research Labs

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