X11 in Leopard

All my X stuff is forwarded over ssh so this is actually not helping me any. The email you linked to however, said something about running Tiger's X11 -- think I'm going to dust off my install disks (or was it a download??) -- and give that a shot.

So I was being lazy -- if you download the modified Xquartz to fix the yellow cursor, and then copy to /usr/X11/bin -- the fix works fine.

Better yet, it even cures the unlaunchability of X11 from the applications folder and all the strange issues with the dock icons.

... problem is, once launched, it's impossible to quit, it just keeps relaunching itself.

What happens when you issue


sudo fc-cache


?

Ambv wrote:
OK, got it. Now I have a better understanding of what's going on under the hood and I've fixed my environment variables so now X11.app behaves correctly. However, there are still two problems. The smaller one is the known Dock incompatibility (getting two icons instead of one), the bigger however is:

When I open an X11 application, it LOSES FOCUS after exactly 2 seconds. When I click the window so it regains focus, it loses it again after exactly 2 seconds. What's up with that?

Do you have the last.fm software installed, by chance?

Yes, I do have Last.fm installed. How is this related? 😀 On Tiger everything worked just fine.

bbyer:

glad you're here answering questions.

the one problem killing me is the yellow cursor when connecting to linux boxes. do you have a work-around for that? in tiger the solution was to use a version of Xquartz that someone in the community had modified to correctly call ntohl() to byte-swap the cursor as it came off the wire. how can this problem still exist even in a new code base?

please help us come up with a solution. thanks.

--s.r.

Squishy: the modified Xquartz still works after a fashion. Just download it, extract it, and copy Xquartz to /usr/X11/bin

The link is listed earlier in this thread. The modified Xquartz fixes the cursor color, takes care of the endless bouncing extra X11 icon as well as the multiple X11 dock icon issue. The downside is that it can't be quit -- kill it and it respawns.

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Hello,

I have an issue with X11 under Leopard.

The X11.app launch is the one leave in /usr/bin. I only have it because I made a clean install of leopard, deleting all Tiger systems.

Inkscape and OpenOffice (2.2) are correctly launched. Me issue is with the <TAB> key.

In XTerm, after a tab keystroke the cursor is "free". The arrow key allow me to move the cursor up Xterm. I need to do a ^c to have the cursor back to the command line.

In OpenOffice, the tab key do not a <tab> but activate a "mouse scroll wheel zoom"

I suppose there's a mistake may be in the xmodmap file, but I not sure.

Is any body saw the same strange behaviors ?

Jacques

squishyray wrote:
bbyer:

glad you're here answering questions.

the one problem killing me is the yellow cursor when connecting to linux boxes. do you have a work-around for that? in tiger the solution was to use a version of Xquartz that someone in the community had modified to correctly call ntohl() to byte-swap the cursor as it came off the wire. how can this problem still exist even in a new code base?

please help us come up with a solution. thanks.

Some patches got dropped on the floor when we switched codebases; sorry about that. Please file a bug at bugreporter.apple.com so we can make sure we get that fixed again.

Ambv wrote:
Yes, I do have Last.fm installed. How is this related? 😀 On Tiger everything worked just fine.

I've seen it happen on my computer, and talked to 4 other employees who saw the same problem, and in all cases, it turned out to be the last.fm audioscrobbler plugin. I think they've got some process that's trying to wake up and talk to iTunes every 2 seconds to get the currently-playing song title. I couldn't tell you why this is now a problem on Leopard, yet not on Tiger -- too many things have changed beneath the surface to answer that question without spending a few days digging -- something probably better for the last.fm folks to do. (which is a shame, it's a neat program!)

bbyer wrote:
I couldn't tell you why this is now a problem on Leopard, yet not on Tiger -- too many things have changed beneath the surface to answer that question without spending a few days digging -- something probably better for the last.fm folks to do. (which is a shame, it's a neat program!)

So, if this is Last.fm's fault then how come won't other applications lose focus when it runs? The focus related fragility seems to be X11.app specific. I'm yet to check whether the modified "anti-yellow-cursor" version behaves the same way on Leopard. One way or the other, I'm afraid this will not be handled soon. Last.fm folks cannot even properly program hiding their application from the Dock, let alone proper localization (believe it or not, they used their own framework for that). Plus, they give away their software for free and I paid $200 (in Poland prices for Apple stuff are higher) for Leopard.

Let's see if the old X11.app loses focus on Leopard...

Uhm, how do I edit my previous posts?

Anyway, changing Xquartz to the old one with the "yellow-cursor" fix did the job. No more focus problems. X11 still autostarts when running Wine or Gimp, so all is fine*. So I guess it's really up to the X11.app team to fix the Last.fm focus stealing bug. Or am I wrong?


* OK, except the fact that one cannot close X11 now.

I use X11 and xterms a lot and had no problems on Tiger. I just
installed Leopard and now there are several problems. The one
that's causing me the most grief is the fast that I can't do copy/paste
or select/paste. Under Tiger I used to be able to select some text
in one xterm window and then paste it into another xterm window
with alt-click. This doesn't work now. I have "emulate three button
mouse" selected so I don't think that's the problem. I feel like there's
some kind of option I need to set. I've been browsing discussion pages,
but haven't found a solution. Anybody know how to fix this.