Unlocked German iPhone not working

Or as always you don't complain about stuff until it affects you.

This is how it is.

You are in the UK and you agreed to buy the iPhone, be happy with your purchase or take it back/sell it.

Ansuz82 wrote:
I can't answer that. All I know is that it wasn't sold in those other countries, nor was it advertised to work in other countries. The consumer base made the assumption that it would work and they were wrong.

It is a mobile phone, for crying out at a considerable volume. It is not like they bought a new washing machine for their basement. It is mobile. It is supposed to be carried around, and it is supposed to work when it is carried around.

To say that it has to be advertised that it can work in other countries is like saying that one cannot expect it to work on Thursdays, as the specification does not say that it shall work on Thursdays.

It CAN work in other countries with an international roaming plan.

People who live in the countries it is offered in can travel all they want.

Agh!! that's where you are wrong? It doesn't affect me! I just put a sim in SE 850i and away i go!

I'm being (probably hard for you to understand this one being from The Great Nation of Texas) sympathetic to my EU neighbours! 🙂

This is an issue with Apple not user to user anyway.

Gaz you're wrong. I do get it. I understand your frustration. My point was that your analogy was inherently flawed. While it may seem on the surface that the issues are similar they are not. EU countries are independent countries with different governments and no overriding laws. US states are smaller parts of the same country.

I have sympathy for you, I truly do. However I am not in a position to change anything. You can call me ignorant until you are blue in the face but all I am doing is stating the FACTS determined by a corporation which I do not work for nor own any part of.

Apple has made their choice. You can insulte me all you like but it changes nothing. Don't shoot the messenger.

The phones do work in other countries. You simply can't activate them on a forgien carrier.

My AT&T phone will work in any EU country. I just pay roaming fees.

The entertainment factor in this thread tonight is brill!

The European vs. The American

I know who is right in this case! The person who is wrong will not like it.

Enlighten us.

But the EU DOES have overriding laws! On many occasions things are referred to the EU for a decision! Laws passed by the EU are implemented across the board! (well nearly all 🙂 )

Apple have provided support in the FW for the countries where the phone is official and a few others (Canada, Italy, Japan and China)

Sim Cards from any of these work without issue in an unlocked european iphone. Sim cards from others don't because they are not supported at the moment. The FW up date (I predict 15th Jan 08 a few mins ago) may fix the problem.

In this case the American is 100% correct. Apple are not obliged to provide support in a country that a product is not marketed in the EU. They are obliged to provide support in countries where it is marketed.
Look at Article 28 EU

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Like currency. I doubt the iPhone is a huge deal to the EU.

gaz_chops wrote:
But the EU DOES have overriding laws! On many occasions things are referred to the EU for a decision! Laws passed by the EU are implemented across the board! (well nearly all 🙂 )

The "nearly all" makes all the difference. The must be ratified by the countries in the EU. Each country has the choice not to accept the law regardless of the fact that the overwhelming majority do.

The US states do not have the liberty to pick and choose. Any law passed by the US government must be adhearded to by the states with out their consent.

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So in the US all states abide by the same laws? Drinking age? Driving age? etc.

I didn't realise this! From what i had heard??

Well if they want federal funding then yes.

Louisiana drinking age was 18 but that soon changed when federal funding was taken away, rooster fighting is still legal though lol