24 bit sounds the same as 16

First time using iLife 08 - i opened up an older G-band 3 project and mixed down to iTunes using 24 bit Uncompressed. It was a bigger file size but when i A/B 'd it with the old mix there was absolutely no difference in the sound of the AIFF files. I converted to an mp3 at 224 kbps and uploaded the track on my band site at Myspace - and it sounded like crap. tinny and low volume despite the fact that my G-band mix was mixed correctly.
How can i get better sound using 24 bit?

Thanks,
Steve

G4, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Dec 11, 2007 12:42 PM

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Dec 11, 2007 7:42 PM in response to Steve Savitz

First the old files were 16 bit changing them to 24 bit does nothing but make them bigger you can't improve sound quality by making them bigger. "if you pour one gallon of water in a two gallon container you still have one gallon".

Now your not going to notice that big of a difference using 24 bit in a home studio ( just my opinion) but if you got the space it's certainly won't hurt. Seeing you final product is mp3 your problem most likely is happening between the mastering and final mp3 encoding. Before we go further how does the song sound in itunes as Aiff next how does it sound in itunes as mp3?

Dec 11, 2007 9:52 PM in response to isteveus

Thanks for getting back to me. you have a point there. When i compare the tracks in iTunes (AIFF vs. mp3) the AIFF is much, much better. louder, more resolution, better bass. if i crank the volume up while listening to the mp3 it does improve though. i'm trying to figure out how all those boring bands on myspace get such great volume and resolution from their mp3's considering myspace only allows 10MB max per song. barely enough to exceed 220 kbpm.

Steve

Dec 12, 2007 10:28 AM in response to HangTime

settins are 224kbps (i couldn't go to the full 320 because Myspace only allows 10MB per song. so this is still higher than the iTunes default setting.
quality was set to "high", not "highest" due to the 10MB limit.
Stereo mode set to "joint stereo"
sample rate: 44.1kHz
checked: smart encoding adjustments
checked: filter frequencies below 10Hz (this i also tried unchecked - made no audible difference).

Steve

Dec 25, 2007 4:32 PM in response to Steve Savitz

Part of the problem, as I have come to know it, is the way in which it is compressed and use of something called "dithering". There are several algorithms used for dithering a file down to the MP3 compressed file and the most well know is "pow-r dither" . It will reduce the file size without destroying the audio. To use this properly, you need a good stereo file editor. I use Peak Pro (5.2) and it does a great job of mastering my files for distribution. It comes at a steep price however ($400-600 depending on your student status). There are free editors available such as Audacity and I would strongly recommend using them for your final mastering step and conversion to MP3 and not rely on Itunes or Garageband to do that for you. This should allow you to get significantly better quality.
The loudness problem you speak of is a result of the volume wars which have forced more and more bands to compress the heck out of their sound. This is the type of compression that makes your track louder it is not the same and the compression that is used to make your files smaller(as in MP3). It can all be very daunting and the learning curve is steep. I have been working with compression for years and I still feel like I only get it right 75% of the time.
So, get a good stereo file editor for you MP3 compression and look into audio compression to increase your loudness.
You could just not participate in the war as a conscientious objector as well.

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