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Kort Level 3 (810 points)
Hi folks.

On impulse I bought a new 24 inch iMac today with OS 10.5 installed. It is replacing my old G4 running 10.3.9. I tried to use the migration utility during setup but it kept telling me that my G4 didn't have OSX installed and it could not move the files.

Is this a common issue and is there a workaround? Thanks.

Dual 2GHz G5 & D.A. G4 733MHz (wife has MacMini), Mac OS X (10.3.x), 23" Cinema Display, 19" Lacie Blue Display, Microtek 1800f & Epson 836XL scanner
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    Any chance the G4 has two hard drives? If so is OS X on Drive 0 or Drive 1? Migration Assistant will only find Drive 0.

    I would advise against using MA to migrate from a PPC to an Intel Mac. See my FAQ:

    A Basic Guide for Migrating to Intel-Macs

    If you are migrating a PowerPC system (G3, G4, or G5) to an Intel-Mac be careful what you migrate. Keep in mind that some items that may get transferred will not work on Intel machines and may end up causing your computer's operating system to malfunction.

    Rosetta supports "software that runs on the PowerPC G3 or G4 processor that are built for Mac OS X". This excludes the items that are not universal binaries or simply will not work in Rosetta:

    • Classic Environment, and subsequently any Mac OS 9 or earlier applications
    • Screensavers written for the PowerPC
    • System Preference add-ons
    • All Unsanity Haxies
    • Browser and other plug-ins
    • Contextual Menu Items
    • Applications which specifically require the PowerPC G5
    • Kernel extensions
    • Java applications with JNI (PowerPC) libraries

    • See also What Can Be Translated by Rosetta.

      In addition to the above you could also have problems with migrated cache files and/or cache files containing code that is incompatible.

      If you migrate a user folder that contains any of these items, you may find that your Intel-Mac is malfunctioning. It would be wise to take care when migrating your systems from a PowerPC platform to an Intel-Mac platform to assure that you do not migrate these incompatible items.

      If you have problems with applications not working, then completely uninstall said application and reinstall it from scratch. Take great care with Java applications and Java-based Peer-to-Peer applications. Many Java apps will not work on Intel-Macs as they are currently compiled. As of this time Limewire, Cabos, and Acquisition are available as universal binaries. Do not install browser plug-ins such as Flash or Shockwave from downloaded installers unless they are universal binaries. The version of OS X installed on your Intel-Mac comes with special compatible versions of Flash and Shockwave plug-ins for use with your browser.

      The same problem will exist for any hardware drivers such as mouse software unless the drivers have been compiled as universal binaries. For third-party mice the current choices are USB Overdrive or SteerMouse. Contact the developer or manufacturer of your third-party mouse software to find out when a universal binary version will be available.

      Also be careful with some backup utilities and third-party disk repair utilities. Disk Warrior 4.1, TechTool Pro 4.6.1, SuperDuper 2.5, and Drive Genius 2.0.2 are all Leopard compatible. The same caution may apply to the many "maintenance" utilities that have not yet been converted to universal binaries. Leopard Cache Cleaner, Onyx, TinkerTool System, and Cocktail are compatible with Leopard.

      Before migrating or installing software on your Intel-Mac check MacFixit's Rosetta Compatibility Index.

      Additional links that will be helpful to new Intel-Mac users:

      Intel In Macs
      Apple Guide to Universal Applications
      MacInTouch List of Compatible Universal Binaries
      MacInTouch List of Rosetta Compatible Applications
      MacUpdate List of Intel-Compatible Software
      Transferring data with Setup Assistant - Migration Assistant FAQ

      Because Migration Assistant isn't the ideal way to migrate from PowerPC to Intel Macs, using Target Disk Mode or copying the critical contents to CD and DVD or an external hard drive will work better when moving from PowerPC to Intel Macs.

      Basically the instructions you should follow are:

      1. Backup your data first. This is vitally important in case you make a mistake or there's some other problem.

      2. Connect a Firewire cable between your old Mac and your new Intel Mac.

      3. Startup your old Mac in Target Disk Mode.

      4. Startup your new Mac for the first time, go through the setup and registration screens, but do NOT migrate data over. Get to your desktop on the new Mac without migrating any new data over.

      4. Copy the following items from your old Mac to the new Mac:

    In your /Home/ folder: Documents, Movies, Music, Pictures, and Sites folders.

    In your /Home/Library/ folder:

    /Home/Library/Application Support/AddressBook (copy the whole folder)
    /Home/Library/Application Support/iCal (copy the whole folder)

    Also in /Home/Library/Application Support (copy whatever else you need including folders for any third-party applications)

    /Home/Library/Keychains (copy the whole folder)
    /Home/Library/Mail (copy the whole folder)
    /Home/Library/Preferences/ (* This is a very important file which contains all email account settings and general mail preferences.)
    /Home/Library/Preferences/ copy any preferences needed for third-party applications

    /Home /Library/iTunes (copy the whole folder)
    /Home /Library/Safari (copy the whole folder)

    If you want cookies:

    /Home/Library/Application Support/WebFoundation/HTTPCookies.plist

    For Entourage users:

    Entourage is in /Home/Documents/Microsoft User Data
    Also in /Home/Library/Preferences/Microsoft

    Credit goes to another forum user for this information.

    If you need to transfer data for other applications please ask the vendor or ask in the Discussions where specific applications store their data.

    5. Once you have transferred what you need restart the new Mac and test to make sure the contents are there for each of the applications.

    Written by Kappy with additional contributions from a brody.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    Thanks Kappy.

    Yes, I have 2 drives, one with OS9 still on it, though it is not my startup. But I sppose it is Drive 0.

    So, it looks like I am out of luck here...gotta upgrade most of my software to handle the intel chipset? I am not sure what is or isn't univeral Binary, though I am guess most of my software isn't. I shutter to think about spending a ton for a new Adobe Suite.

    How do I set up my G4 in target disk mode so that I can transfer over my files and documents, and not the software?

  • D. Fraser Level 3 (560 points)
    How do I set up my G4 in target disk mode so that I can transfer over my files and documents, and not the software?

    [this should help|]
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    If you can you need to change the jumpers on your hard drives so that the OS X drive is Drive 0 and the other is Drive 1. The problem with TDM is that it only mounts Drive 0.

    Yes, all your software is probably PPC-only if you haven't updated it recently. Software that is universal can be identified by selecting the app and pressing COMMAND-I to open the Get Info window. In the window where you see Kind: it will say what it is.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    Thanks for the link D. and thanks again Kappy for the info. I remember that I had wanted to switch out the drive positions when I put in the larger second drive initially, but had trouble getting my G4 to start-up with the drives in that order. So I installed it as the slave drive and then just set it to be my start-up drive.

    I will try rewiring and seeing if I can get the iMac to read the drive that way.

    Aside from your very comprehensive initial reply, are there any other resource for someone moving up from the PowerPC Mac to an Intel based one? I'd like to make it as painless as possible, but it looks like I'm going have to lay out 3x as much for the software as for the Mac itself, ugh.

    BTW, I did Get Info for my PhotoshopCS and it does not say if it is a Universal Binary version or not. I know it isn't, but is it safe to assume that it WILL SAY if something is UB if it is, and say nothing if it isn't?

    Also, I've got 1 gig of memory but would like to upgrade...any suggestions on the best yet least expensive source for that?

    Again, thanks so much for you help.
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    The CS3 version of PhotoShop is universal (that's the newest version.) All prior versions are PPC-only.

    I buy my memory from DataMem. I've been buying RAM from them for nearly 20 years without a problem. Their prices are reasonable, the carry product that has a Lifetime Guarantee, have a good return policy, and finding RAM for any Mac model is extremely easy using the memory finder. Others here will recommend OWC, also a good choice.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    Thanks AGAIN Kappy, I can see why you're a top user here.
    I'll look into DataMem. It is has been a while since I need to buy or change memory, so thought it best to ask. While unpacking the iMac I saw some info on the bottom of the monitor, I assume that is where I'll be swapping out memory.

    Any recommendations for an inexpensive way to get up and running quickly? I'd like to use some temporary programs while save up $ to buy the CS3 suite. Aside from the Apple programs and QuarkXPress, Adobe's creative suite is my bread and butter software. Can you recommend any free or trial downloads of software that can temporarily replace them that plays nice with Leopard?

    Also, would you suggest holding off on updating to 10.5.2? I've seen a number of threads here with complaining of issues with it, though I know that that's what this forum is for.

    Many thanks!
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    As far as I know there isn't anything the replaces Adobe's CS3 suite or QuarkXpress. However, NeoOffice Aqua is a nice replacement for Microsoft Office 2004 X, and you can certainly do some reasonable layout work with Word. Preview comes with OS X and can read PDF files and do some minor editing - very minor.

    If your computer meets the specifications I can see no particular problem with updating. I've updated my five computers without any incident. However, if the software you need to use is not compatible with Leopard, then I would hold off until there are compatible versions available.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    Oh, I realize that there is nothing that can fully replace Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and the like, but there may be some temporary fillers out there.

    Here is one I know of similar to photoshop, and it is free (and looks like it is running on Intels now):


    As you say, none of my G4 software is probably compatible with the Intel Mac and 10.5. I am just concerned then at this point to get my files transferred. I have an extensive iPhoto library that I'd like to transfer over, as well as my iTunes music, etc. None of my songs are "purchased" from the iTunes store, so there should be no authorization issues, correct?

    Muchas Gracias!

  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    There are a couple of different versions of Gimp. The original port still requires the X11 system to work on the Mac. SeaShore on the other hand does not but it is not a full Gimp port.

    If you don't want to make web pages in NeoAqua's word processor then you could try Kompozer which is a freeware WYSIWYG HTML composer based on the page composer of Netscape/Mozilla.

    For page layout there's Aqua Scribus, an Open Source project. It's not universal binary, however, so you might as well use InDesign.

    Illustrator is a drawing program of which there are dozens.

    Find all the shareware/freeware at VersionTracker or MacUpdate.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    Kappy wrote:
    Find all the shareware/freeware at VersionTracker or MacUpdate.

    Right, I've been hunting through them this morning. I'll get things up and running eventually.

    X11, what exactly is that? I've seen it mentioned but never looked into it.

    Thanks again.

    Message was edited by: Kort - text clean-up
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    X11 is the Darwin windowing system required by Unix applications that are ported to Mac OS X Unix but not to the native OS X GUI. You should find it in your Utilities folder.
  • Kort Level 3 (810 points)
    This just in from a fellow Mac user in another forum:

    *+"There's no reason your PPC apps won't run in OSX 10.5 it has full support of legacy apps. You will ind they even run faster, due to the better hardward. I'm still running things like the Carbon version of Diablo.+*

    *+Universal or Intel only Apps get the most out of your new hardware but everything should still run."+*

    Am I missing something, I thought things would not work?
    So if I swap the HDs in the G4, can I migrate and get up and running?
    I realize software made specifically for the new intel processors will work better, but if I don't have to make the $plunge$ right now, that would be so great.

    Message was edited by: Kort
  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)
    Applications work, but not plug-ins, contextual menus, preference panes, etc. None of them work.
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