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Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!

I posted up this topic yesterday but maybe the Apple guys were having a 12 hour nap or something so I'll just put it up again.
Can anyone explain how to change the internal timing resolution setting in Logic 7.1.1?
I've managed to do it in other sequencers(DIGITAL PERFORMER 4.6)but I can't seem to find the information that I'm looking for in the Logic Pro 7 manual.
I know that Logic's sequencer in working at 960 ppq (default) but I would like to adjust this(if it is possible?)
Thanks again for all your help on this matter
Kishen

Posted on Oct 14, 2005 8:21 AM

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User profile for user: Kishen Ode
Kishen Ode Author
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Oct 14, 2005 2:16 PM in response to tbirdparis

I want to change the ppq settings in Logic 7.1.1 so I can achieve the level of precision in the editing of midi data that is availible to me in Digital Performer 4.6.
I don't recall mentioning quantisation settings (you must have gotten confused, and mixed up what I was talking about with something or someone else).
I have trouble seeing why you would not want this feature availible to you in your main sequencer,since you skillfully avoided answering my original question and decided to ask a couple of your own I can only assume that there is no way of adjusting the ppq settings in the Logic sequencer.
Is there someone else out there who actually knows this program and can answer my question.
Thanks
Kishen
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Oct 14, 2005 11:11 PM in response to Kishen Ode

actually I know logic pretty well, but don't take my word for it.. 🙂

if you give an example of the kind of editing task you want to perform, someone might be able to answer you about how to do it in logic, and it may be done in a way that has nothing to do with changing ppq res as you would do it in DP. you can't always come in on a new program and throw terminology around that you took from another program and expect users to know what you mean to achieve, which is probably why you got no answers. talking about what you want to do will however give people a chance to give you a meaningful response.

for example.. holding down clusters of modifier keys (command, ctrl, option) and then clicking and dragging in the matrix editor give you instant ways to have high to very high res dragging/copying of midi events. or, you have options to change your editing grid behaviour (top left of the arrange and other windows) so that your edit res is either by quantise grid values, SMPTE frames, ticks or other values. I'm not in front of logic today so the details of what I am saying may not be quite right, but you should get the gist of it.

I guess I'd better get back to my newbie muddling about in logic before someone that really knows what they are doing asks me to go get coffee again at the studio... 🙂
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Oct 15, 2005 11:05 AM in response to Data Stream Studio

In DIGITAL PERFORMER 4.6 you would have to access the Time Formats window to adjust the standard time format which directly relates to the ppq settings, there is no "adjust the ppq settings" option in DIGITAL PERFORMER 4.6 (so again I have no idea what your talking about when you make wild accusations of people who "throw terminology around that they took from another program")
As far as I know (maybe you could enlighten a newbie like me) the term "parts per quarter note" is used in ALL professional sequencers, since that is the only terminology that I could have possibly "thrown anywhere!!!" used in my previous posts.
Please let me know if I'm wrong, since I love education (I wouldn't be where I'am without being proud to be a student).
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Oct 15, 2005 11:39 AM in response to Kishen Ode

Kishen Ode, "Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!" #5, 11:19am Oct 15, 2005 CDT

Thanks for the info Data Stream Studio (it's always nice to get some help from someone who knows what they're talking about) that's what I was looking for, some constructive suggestions NOT some useless opinions

And thridparis that coffee you mentioned sounds like a good idea, you may need a break.
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I'm sorry, but it is you who need to take a chill pill. I find your comments offensive and rude.
tbirdparis is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful Logic users you can ever expect to find.
You, on the other hand, need an attitude adjustment if you expect to come to grips with Logic, or any other app you may take on in the future.
There is no 'one way' of doing things, and just because you use certain techniques to achieve a certain task in one app, doesn't mean you will be using the same techniques in every other DAW. (or, even if the techniques, or features, are similar, that they will have the same terminology)
The important thing to relay, to those who would help, is what the thing is you are aiming to achieve that you would like some help with.
tbirdparis was just trying to get some clarification from you so he could give you the best possible answer.

BTW, if you don't understand the link between the terms 'quantization' and 'clock resolution' then you need some more education.

Kishen Ode, "Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!" #6, 12:05pm Oct 15, 2005 CDT

As far as I know (maybe you could enlighten a newbie like me) the term "parts per quarter note" is used in ALL professional sequencers, since that is the only terminology that I could have possibly "thrown anywhere!!!" used in my previous posts.


Yes ppqn means the same in all sequencers. It's measure of clock resolution. no more, and no less.
BTW, it's
b pulses
per quarter note, not 'parts'. And a pulse is another name for a clock tick, or the smallest possible timing division.

(so again I have no idea what your talking about when you make wild accusations of people who "throw terminology around that they took from another program")


But if you stopped and took notice for awhile, you would understand that is exactly what you did.

Please let me know if I'm wrong, since I love education (I wouldn't be where I'am without being proud to be a student


You're wrong, but it seems further education is the farthest thing from your mind right now. 🙂
Oh, and another important thing in acquiring an education is to recognize when someone is more knowledgeable than yourself, and to have the good grace to listen.
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Oct 15, 2005 1:01 PM in response to David Eager

Interesting take on what you decided you read David.
offensive and rude? how so!!!

" just because you use certain techniques to achieve a certain task in one app, doesn't mean you will be using the same techniques in every other DAW. (or, even if the techniques, or features, are similar, that they will have the same terminology) "

Strange, I don't believe that I made any comments that would lead anyone to think that I was asuming that all DAW would work in the same way or have similar terminology... quite the opposite

"tbirdparis was just trying to get some clarification from you so he could give you the best possible answer."

Really!!! so why not answer the question instead of asking "are you actually talking about quantisation settings, otherwise I have trouble seeing any sense as to what is to be achieved."

I find answering a question with another question VERY rude indeed

BTW, if you don't understand the link between the terms 'quantization' and 'clock resolution' then you need some more education.

Do grow up David, what you said there was just down right juvenile...Ludicrous

Could you please explain exactly what sequencer specific terminology I was "throwing around" because I put the question as plainly as I could (Data Stream Studio understood what I was aiming to communicate)

"Yes ppqn means the same in all sequencers. It's measure of clock resolution. no more, and no less.
BTW, it's pulses per quarter note, not 'parts'. And a pulse is another name for a clock tick, or the smallest possible timing division."

Pulses or Parts it's all the same...now who's "throwing terminology around".

Oh, and another important thing, people who have acquired SOME knowlegde of a music program should be more humble in there approach when dealing with questions from people who have not yet attained a level of understanding that they have achieved.
As for "chill pills" I have never used any, and nor do I advocate taking drugs of any kind....Coffee included
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Oct 15, 2005 3:56 PM in response to Kishen Ode

I always find it a good laugh when newbies come on this board with nonsense questions that they formulate employing wrong terminology, then when experts try to clarify what it is the newbie is trying to do, the newbie gets all superior and arrogant and insult the expert.

Thanks for the laugh, Kishen. Now go read a manual or something.

BTW, "maybe the Apple guys were having a 12 hour nap or something" was priceless as well. Kinda like a bum insulting you so you give him some $$. Mwahahaha.
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Oct 15, 2005 4:35 PM in response to Kishen Ode

you know what? whatever "kishen".....

how lame that I even bothered attempting to take up your thread.

there was absolutely every reason to ask for clarification about what you meant in your original question. the only thing you asked about was adjusting the ppq settings, you said nothing about editing resolution which is then you what you went on to patronisingly explain you meant all along.

as we all know (including those of us lowly enough to only make coffee for real programmers), ppq is the resolution at which midi data is recorded, so it's actually quite reasonable to have understood from your question that you wanted to adjust the timing res as it was being recorded in logic -- which is a questionable thing to want to do and thus my question about whether you meant quantising instead... frankly, whatever to the fact that you took offence to this, if your question made clear sense in the first place, plenty of people would have answered it. I'm not saying you don't know what you meant to ask, nor was I ever questioning your knowledge or skills. your qustion was just not clear, period.

but don't let me stop you being short fused and rude. you won't find anyone here that will agree with you that I don't know what I'm talking about, but you sure have come across as a d*ck for being so narcy and ungrateful. nice one.
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Oct 15, 2005 6:53 PM in response to Kishen Ode

Kishen Ode, "Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!" #8, 02:01pm Oct 15, 2005 CDT


Pulses or Parts it's all the same...now who's "throwing terminology around"


OK, I'll give you that, but the more common term 'pulses' does give more understanding about what is in play.

The important point is that there are many people here who can help you a lot, but they do so in their own time, they are not being paid for that time.
To make the most of that time, the first task is always to get some clarity on what the original question relates to, to minimize any beating around the bush. (read 'timewasting').
The easy thing would have been to answer your original question, as it stood.
The answer would simply have been:
b 'Logic's clock is fixed at 960 ppqn'

But how would that have helped you ?

One person took a stab at guessing what you may have been trying to achieve, but really, that was a bad answer, because in most cases I can think of, that solution is the wrong way to go. (It only makes sense in isolation, not in practical editing. At best it can be used as a workaround when there is no other way to go.)
Yet, from your perspective, that was a good answer. Why?
If you follow that path, you'll most likely get in a bigger mess somewhere else.

If you really do want to learn (as you have claimed), then you have missed some very basic lessons early on.

And, whether you realize or not, we are still trying to help you.
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Oct 15, 2005 8:32 PM in response to David Eager

Thank you so much for answering my original question David, I should have figured that the Logic clock is fixed at 960 ppq, you've been more helpful than you know.
The person who took at stab at my "supposedly poor question" acutally attempted to answer the question instead of asking one of there own,
in a half hearted attempt to help someone out, that's why it was a good answer, it's not that they solved my problem but they tried.
The point that many here seemed to have missed is that in thridparis's original answer he said"are you actually talking about quantisation settings",and then should have added: because in Logic this is how you adjust the internal timing resolution.
I understand that I don't pay everyone salaries (even though sometimes it feels that way!!!) but I do expect to get an anwser to a very basic question without wasting my time with nonsense.
"Missed some very basic lessons early on" come on now David, being ignorant and rude doesn't suit you thats my forte.
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