Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!

I posted up this topic yesterday but maybe the Apple guys were having a 12 hour nap or something so I'll just put it up again.
Can anyone explain how to change the internal timing resolution setting in Logic 7.1.1?
I've managed to do it in other sequencers(DIGITAL PERFORMER 4.6)but I can't seem to find the information that I'm looking for in the Logic Pro 7 manual.
I know that Logic's sequencer in working at 960 ppq (default) but I would like to adjust this(if it is possible?)
Thanks again for all your help on this matter
Kishen

Posted on Oct 14, 2005 8:21 AM

22 replies

Kishen Ode Author

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Oct 15, 2005 8:59 PM in response to tbirdparis

A d*ck, narcy and ungrateful... maybe, but ppq being the resolution that midi data is recorded but not edited.... very questionable indeed.
I took a patronising tone with you because I couldn't for the life of me understand how you could not have understood my original question.
Needing others to agree with my point of view has never been of much importance to me, it's not that I disagree with your view of me, it's that I don't really care either way.
David already cleared up my problem by actually answering my original question, so thanks for your input, but you if would actually explain what you are talking about you could potentially be more helpful.
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tbirdparis

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Oct 15, 2005 9:12 PM in response to Kishen Ode

but I do expect to get an anwser to a very basic question without wasting my time with nonsense.

frankly, you're the one that created all the nonsense and it looks like you're not going to be big enough to back down from it either.. too bad for you.

there's actually nothing rude about asking questions in response to a question.. it's called asking for clarification and it's a part of basic human communication. like you've never said 'what do you mean by that?' or some other such phrase to someone, ever.. give us a break.

end of the day, I was trying to help you out by getting an idea of what you needed doing because your question was ambiguous. you just went way out of line. I'm sure you don't care what I think, but other people on this forum have seen you be pretty petty and it might bother you that they might have trouble taking you seriously next time.

Kishen Ode Author

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Oct 15, 2005 9:28 PM in response to tbirdparis

Thanks guys for all of your constructive critcism and useful information, but bum, d*ck and newb*e, I haven't had such a laugh in a long time.
I guess, as in all things in life, you reap what you sow. I guess I should have posted a lengthy, more apple friendly question, but that's my bad.
As you can probably tell by the tone and sincerity of my voice I love making music, that's why I employ programmers, engineers, session musicians and so on to help me and my artists to achieve our goals and turn ideas,visions and dreams into reality.
In every situation the lord throws at me (no matter how small!) I'm willing to be the bigger man so I apologise directly to Thirdparis and David Eager for directing derogatory remarks towards them, and ask them to do the same because after the smoke had cleared my question did not seem so ridiculous after all.
Thank you ever so much
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tbirdparis

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Oct 15, 2005 10:06 PM in response to Kishen Ode

the only reason why you should have been clearer in your initial question is because it could have meant many things, whether you think so or not. nothing to do with being 'apple friendly' (don't even know what that is supposed to mean..)

you could have meant:

1) I want to restrict the recording res on midi as it is being recorded (ie, quantise on the fly), which is done in logic by enabling a quantise value in the midi thru parameter box.

2) I want to get in there and drag midi events around right down to tick resolution.. this is done in logic in several ways, either using modifier key clusters, or by choosing your edit grid setting for which there are several ways of going about it.

3) I want to reduce the ppqn value that logic records at to a lower setting than the 960 maximum. this is what I meant by a questionable thing to want to do, because you can (and should) achieve the same result by using an on-th-fly quantisation value which is non-destructive, as described above.

so while you can't actually vary the ppqn value of logic, there are several meaningful ways in which you can manipulate midi data at different resolutions in logic which are all done through different areas of the program in different ways depending on what you are trying to do.

and btw: absolutely there is nothing wrong with sometimes editing at a different res to the res your midi is recorded at! what is nonsensical about moving things by rounded quarter notes, even when the midi events are not quantised and in free time.. ?

In every situation the lord throws at me (no matter how small!)

ooh, still trying to stick a jab in... that smarts, yeouch.

I'm willing to be the bigger man

so very magnanimously put. you really are the wordsmith, it almost sounds like you are saying you said nothing wrong whatsoever but are so gracious that you will say sorry anyway... that would be really clever if that's what you meant.

anyway, apology accepted, if indeed it was one. 🙂

Kishen Ode Author

Level 1

45 points

Oct 15, 2005 10:36 PM in response to tbirdparis

So while you can't actually vary the ppqn value of logic, there are several meaningful ways in which you can manipulate midi data at different resolutions in logic which are all done through different areas of the program in different ways depending on what you are trying to do.
Now that's the answer to my original question, see that wasn't so hard was it.
And by the way my apology was (and still is) sincere, by being the "bigger man" I mean that I'm able to admit when I'm wrong, are you able to do the same?
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FILTER

Level 1

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Oct 16, 2005 12:42 AM in response to Kishen Ode

I mean that I'm able to admit when I'm wrong, are you able to do the same?

Problem is, by admitting you're wrong, you're admitting Tbird's right, which you actually just proved in explaining that he did, in fact, understand you correctly (but just wanted to make sure by asking clarification).

Therefore I see no need for Tbird to admit he was wrong.

You could have saved everyone a lot of time and energy by answering Tbird's question, and more than that, you could actually have gone much further since he was willing to help you further depending on what it is you are really trying to do (which we still don't know, and frankly don't care at this point).

I for one know, I won't ever miss another one of your threads, but for the laugh, not to help you.

If making big mistakes and then apologizing makes someone big, then I guess you are the bigger man.

One more thing: you seem to have missed that this is a user forum. Everybody here is a Logic user, nothing more nothing less. Some of us enjoy trying to help others. Dave and Tbird are some of those, as you can judge by their number of posts. Your attitude seem to dictate that we owe you some help, that's not the case. If you ask directions in the streets and someone doesn't understand you clearly or ask you further info such as wether you inted to take the subway or the bus, do you start screaming at them? That's pretty much what you have been doing in this thread.

Kishen Ode Author

Level 1

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Oct 16, 2005 6:46 AM in response to FILTER

Wow Filter, you really aren't that smart are you,but I like you, you're funny, but no need to spit your dummy out of the pram.
So Third understood me correctly... but then in your very next paragraph you say "which we still don't know, and frankly don't care", so which is it, you do understand or don't you (please don't answer that because I don't care)
Admitting that I'm wrong does not prove that Thirdparis was right, even though he eventually answered to question, which didn't seem too difficult for him after all.
But it does prove that I'm willing to accept that I made some mistakes (but if this is as big a mistake as you seem to think I guess I'm in serious trouble)
I've already expressed my gratitude to those that have helped me on the forum and I myself have helped others.
But more importantly (concerning this thread) I learnt that the answer to my question "Is there anyway of changing the ppq setting in Logic because it default is 960ppq" is
"No the ppq is fixed at 960"
I didn't know that you needed my life story to answer a question like that.
So I finally got my answer (some here said that I wouldn't) and I'm happy and I hope that you are too (I won 50 pounds on that bet).
Anyway the only reason I visited the forum was that "Logic geek" is on vacation and I couldn't reach him due to the time zone difference. But once I could contact him (around halfway through this thread) he answered my question in detail, and all I asked him was "how do you change the ppq settings in Logic 7.1.1" et voila.
I don't really understand why you have tried to attack me, some of the comments made by you and others have been quite disturbing.
I didn't understand why such a simple question needed clarification, like I said that's my bad.
This thread has been a great source of amusment to me and others (one girl was laughing so much she almost knocked over an HR824 off it's stand, which wouldn't have been very funny).
Look I'm not the kind of guy who would start screaming at someone for asking directions (only because I don't take the subway or ride the bus), I'm the kind of guy that people love to hate because I drive an SUV while smoking a cigar, so I guess you can add the world's ecological problems to the list of things that are my fault (I don't mind I have big shoulders)
People like you slow pitch the N word (newb*e) around and make throw away remarks all day long to make yourselves feel better, but you must possess the intellect to see that you are wasting your time b*tching at me like a schoolgirl, "I'm an old dog" and I guess your familiar with the rest of the saying.
Since I've had so much fun here you won't be missing me. There's no doubt that you will be hearing from me again, this forum is great, but I think I'll stick to giving advice because I feel that's where I excel, and it takes way too long to get an answer here.
When "Logic geek" gets back from L.A. I'll be sure and leave all the question asking duties to him, but since he's a qualified Logic & Pro Tools technician I guess that he won't be asking you guys any questions.
Yeah!!! I reached the first level.
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Adjusting the 960ppq sequencer timing resolution again!!!