iMovie + subtitles - HELP!

I was so excited to try out video editing on a macbook - because I've only heard excellent things, and now that I have one, I am frustrated and SORELY disappointed.

I realize iMovie '06 has a lot of advanced capabilities, but the fact that it cannot do a simple task for me just does not speak well for it. I am not a computer dummy - I can figure my way around just fine on both macs and PCs, and I have made some great videos on WMM. So when I give up out of frustration using iMovie '06, it's not because of technological ignorance.

What I'm trying to do:

I have a song I recorded using iSight, and ALL I would like to do is add simple, classy subtitles to accompany the song.

So I go into the edit mode and try to do this. Here are the problems I've experienced.

1) When I splice my movie (in timeline mode) I get hiccups and skips in the video. I run the video, pause at the moment I want to split it, and hit cmd-T. Its always a gamble whether or not the clips will sync together properly. At least when I'm in the thumbnail mode, it seems to be less of an issue.

2.) No where, anywhere, online, or in the lacking help feature, can I find ANY explanation for the "Speed" and "Pause" toggles. I play with them, but I cannot understand how they affect the clip. For example, as I stare at it right now, what does "Speed- 0:26" and "Pause- 0:24" even mean... the subtitle is CLEARLY not displayed for 24 seconds - and WHY on earth does it say it adds up to 1:16? Last I checked, 0:26 + 0:24 should equal 0:44. Whatever it means, it is not the obvious. Shouldn't using a program be designed to be obvious to the user - NOT cryptic??

ALL I WANT is for the subtitle to be played the length of the split clip. Whatever length that may be - 4 seconds, 6 seconds, 10 seconds - from the start of the clip to the end of it.

3.) The above is concerning "stripe subtitle". It's worse if I try the "Subtitle" style. Then, "Pause" is taken away on me, and "speed" minimum time starts at 2:00. I change the toggle to 4:08 (seconds) because that is the length of my first split clip. And yet, the subtitle shows up and disappears after 2 or so seconds of my clip!?? It also hiccups onto the next clip now. Great!

3.) No centering feature for my subtitles - only colour, font and size choices. 😟 So much for unlimited creative freedom.

4.) On "Stripe Subtitle", why does the bar/stripe have to disappear and reappear each time? Why can't it stay on steady - just have the words change?

5.) Why can't I right-click a clip and find more choices to specifically edit THAT clip? Its so complicated to make sure edits stay on the clip you selected and not cause problems to the next split clip. I want to deal with one clip at a time here... not experience secondary effects...

6.) Some of my subtitles need to stay for 8-10 seconds, because its a longer line of music. WHY won't it let me? sob I don't want to split it, and make the same text reappear 2x. I just want it stay up there for 8-10 seconds. Period. Is that such an unusual request? In WMM, the text appears as a separate function, that you can stretch and shorten in sync with the video that is playing. You don't have to "attach" it to a clip and have it "hidden" from your timeline. I wish the text would SHOW UP in my timeline, underneath the video, so I can manipulated where it starts and stops better.

7.) So far, the only way I can see to change your mind and delete a subtitle other than "undo". If I want to go back later and remove what I had done, I have selected the clip, and deleted my text and clicked on "update" (or "add" I tried too), and the words go away, but the bar still shows, and the little T still shows up on my thumbnail. I end up having to close the session and reopen my saved work. Mistakes seem hard to reverse, unless you are lucky enough to undo them as soon as you make them...

I'm sorry if I come across I little snobby or rude - I am just a little razzled, because I have spent so long trying to figure this out on my own, and can't succeed.
I can't believe how frustrating this is for simple subtitles? I'm actually in a little shock, because its hard to believe something that is giving me THIS much heck, comes with so much recommendation. What is wrong with me? Why can't I figure out what should be a straight-forward program?!

macbook, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Jul 11, 2008 5:19 PM

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Jul 11, 2008 7:18 PM in response to catspaw

OK, I'm back again. Let's concede that iMovie's titling engine is not the greatest. It is designed to make assumptions and make decisions for you in a sense. It does not give you total flexibility. People who need greater freedom of choice usually use Final Cut, although there are some plugins for iMovie that can offer some alternatives.
However, back to your problem. Stripe Subtitle gives a maximum of 9 seconds and 15 frames (for me, using PAL at least). The speed adjusts the length of fade-in and fade-out of the text, the pause controls the length of time the text stays static on the screen. That title option does allow you to adjust the Pause by the way, contrary to what you say.
If your selected total duration of subtitle exceeds the clip's length, it will automatically spill over onto the next clip, so be careful to calculate exactly - a little trial and error may be needed, but remember that the last two digits of the clips length represent a number of frames, not decimal points of a second.
A sub-title being what it is, you cannot move it to the centre of the frame, but you can move a Centred Title anywhere vertically on the frame by dragging it in the Preview screen. That may help you.
To remove an unwanted text from a clip, highlight the clip and hit the Delete key - this will clear the title but not trash the clip.
You cannot expect everything to be exactly the same as on your Windows app, no doubt some features of which suit your requirements better, but of course there are also things that Apple apps do better, so 'swings and roundabouts' really.
Come back if you need more help.
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Jul 11, 2008 7:39 PM in response to catspaw

I just noticed you refer to a 'lacking help feature'. The iMovie's Help Menu gives a lot of info, including this snippet:
"The duration of the clip is shown on the clip's border (in minutes:seconds:frames) when you view it in the Clips pane or clip viewer." Note the reference to frames.
These tutorials may also help:
http://www.apple.com/ilife/tutorials/imovie/
The problem with playback not being smooth may be related to QuickTime 7.5 which appears to be causing this sort of issue on some computers. Or it could be related to a problem within your own computer. Normally splitting a clip is perfectly accurate and you can use the left and right arrows on your key-board to fine-tune the play-head's position.
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Jul 15, 2008 11:31 AM in response to catspaw

Hi catspaw!

Thank you so much for offering me some tips! I appreciate it! Still having problems though! wince

I tried the centring title effect you suggested, instead of the subtitle effect, and that looks great! Thanks.

I opened and loaded my video today, and the first thing I tested out was deleted a subtitle - which worked! BUT, now, I have no sound! Volume's up! No sound. I even selected "Revert to Original" - no sound. I don't even know how to start from square one again.

Well, for the sake of the post, we'll pretend I have sound sigh. How would I merge two clips together - say they were split at the wrong location. Or say I don't want a split there anymore? There is no "merge clips" kind of button that I can see.

(sidenote: just closed HD - without saving my subtitle deletion - and sound is back. Tried again, and it was okay. Maybe it was a glitch?)

Okay, let's get practical here. I split my clip for the first subtitle segment. I selected Centred Title and positioned it on the bottom portion of the screen. My clip length is marked 0:04:18. Does that mean its 4 seconds plus 18 frames long? At the moment, speed toggle is marked 1:10, pause is marked :20 and duration is marked 2:00. I click "add" and the subtitle lasts for maybe 2 of the 4 seconds of the clip. I then "undo" - and adjust the pause toggle so that the duration now says 4:18. Somehow I think I'm missing understanding something, because when I press "add" it STILL shows up for only about 2 of the 4 seconds. I play with the toggles a little more - making sure the duration is always 4:18 (or as close to that as it will let me, 4:16 usually). NOTHING seems to alter the length of time I see the text (even though I make sure to click ADD). Does my computer just hate me? LOL

Lets just leave my questions at that... Too many is too overwhelming. I appreciate you helping me out greatly! It's nice to have input and suggestions! (but my frustration level is still in the "aggravated" zone! LOL)

Jul 15, 2008 2:53 PM in response to pistache146

Hi pistache - yes, 4:18 means four seconds and 18 frames long.
If the pause is marked as :20, that is only 20 frames, not two seconds. I would suggest that you make the speed as short as possible, and the pause as long as possible.
I have noticed that the sliders do not always immediately respond to what duration you want - you may even have to temporarily flick to a different title, then back again.

Re the unwanted split in the clip - if the split occurred because of a title that was not the full duration of the clip, then deleting the title will re-attach the two portions of the clip. You should also be able to revert to original to solve that problem. Actually what I sometimes do is to create a duplicate clip if I am about to add titles or effects to it - just as a backup if things should turn pear-shaped. Do this by holding down the Option key while dragging the clip back to the Clips Pane.

It is possible to re-join clips by superimposing a 'blank' (no text) title over the two split clips, the duration of which is set to the combined duration of the two. However, that does slightly impair the quality of the clips.
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Jul 15, 2008 4:07 PM in response to catspaw

Okay. So I highlighted the clip. Kept the Speed toggle to the extreme left (1:10 is what it shows), and I move the Pause toggle as far right so that the box says 3:08, which makes the "Duration" underneath show as 4:18 (the length of the clip). I tried switching to another title and back again, and then pressing Add. It renders. No change. Title shows up for about 2 seconds (half of the 4 second clip) and disappears.

So I start pushing the Pause toggle farther... 4:00 (which bumps "Duration" to 5:08 - which is now obviously past the length of my clip). Switched titles back and forth again. Clicked Update. No change to the length of the subtitle on the screen. But now it has extended the clip's length farther (which I don't want!).

Argh!

Why can't I catch a break?

Jul 15, 2008 4:16 PM in response to catspaw

Okay. So I highlighted the clip. Kept the Speed toggle to the extreme left (1:10 is what it shows), and I move the Pause toggle as far right so that the box says 3:08, which makes the "Duration" underneath show as 4:18 (the length of the clip). I tried switching to another title and back again, and then pressing Add. It renders. No change. Title shows up for about 2 seconds (half of the 4 second clip) and disappears.

So I start pushing the Pause toggle farther... 4:00 (which bumps "Duration" to 5:08 - which is now obviously past the length of my clip). Switched titles back and forth again. Clicked Update. No change to the length of the subtitle on the screen. But now it has extended the clip's length farther (which I don't want!).

Argh!

Why can't I catch a break?

Jul 15, 2008 4:19 PM in response to catspaw

Okay. So I highlighted the clip. Kept the Speed toggle to the extreme left (1:10 is what it shows), and I move the Pause toggle as far right so that the box says 3:08, which makes the "Duration" underneath show as 4:18 (the length of the clip). I tried switching to another title and back again, and then pressing Add. It renders. No change. Title shows up for about 2 seconds (half of the 4 second clip) and disappears.

So I start pushing the Pause toggle farther... 4:00 (which bumps "Duration" to 5:08 - which is now obviously past the length of my clip). Switched titles back and forth again. Clicked Update. No change to the length of the subtitle on the screen. But now it has extended the clip's length farther (which I don't want!).

Argh!

Why can't I catch a break?

Jul 16, 2008 3:25 AM in response to pistache146

Hi pistache - yes, my last reply to you got lost totally as well. there's heavy over-load on forums at the moment - re the iPhone I think.
Can't now remember the whole gist of what I was saying to you! My slowest 'speed slider' duration is 20 frames (0:20) but I am a PAL user. You are probably NTSC so your shortest duration may be different - should be lower than a second though I would have thought.
My suggestion is to shut down iMovie, then trash this file:
Users(you)>Library>Preferences>com.apple.imovie.plist
iMovie will create a new file when you next open it. This may clear the glitch... maybe not.
Another thought - what version of QuickTime are you using? There have been some issues with QT 7.5 and iMovie HD6.
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Jul 16, 2008 11:35 AM in response to catspaw

I tried to delete the file you suggested, but I got stuck looking for the "preference" folder in Library - it doesn't exist. There is an iMovie folder, which i clicked on, but no "preference" folder in that either. So I tried spotlight searching for "com.apple.imovie.plist" - nothing.

And I checked my QT player. It does happen to be 7.5. Would that affect the movie WHILE it is being edited though? Or only after a finished video is exported?

Thanks for being patient with me and helping to try solving my problem. 🙂

Jul 16, 2008 4:20 PM in response to pistache146

Hi pistache - I cannot understand why there is no Preferences folder in your User Library. There should be one called PreferencePanes, and directly below that one called Preferences. The fact that you see an iMovie folder suggests that you are in the correct Library (there are 3!). I wonder of Leopard (OS 10.5) places it somewhere else? Seems strange though.

Yes, if QT is having an effect, it could be during editing - no guarantee that is the cause however.

Sorry I can't help you further with your problem - I'm away from computers for next three days now. Someone else may join in to help 🙂
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