Anyone using Stylus RMX with Logic? Do you understand "grooves"?

It doesn't work that way.

Just think about it for a minute... a groove is sliced and diced, and the MIDI data is then available to drop onto your DAW to be able to play back that groove at any tempo.

But if you switch to a different loop, the MIDI data present no longer is playing the proper sounds.

It's not a limitation of the software... it's how you're trying to use it.

If you simply want a "variation" of the groove every 4 or 8 bars, you can edit the MIDI data to rearrange the slices that are available in a loop, to create a whole different groove, or feel (using the same sounds, of course).

You can also use more than 1 RMX instance. If you have a sufficient amount of RAM, you could easily add 3, 4, or more RMX's, all doing their thing.

So if you had 4 RMX's working in multi-timbral mode, you could effectively have 32 variances of a single groove available to you.

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dhjdhj wrote:
Even GarageBand lets me drop multiple "grooves" on a single track, one after the other.

That's because it's playing an audio file, non-dependent of samples loaded into RAM. And if it is a MIDI file, the "drumset" sound loaded has all the elements (kick, snare, TOMS, etc...) to create a fill or groove variance without the actual soundbank changing.

But I do understand what it is you're trying to accomplish. RMX, for as cool, and powerful as it is, isn't designed to replace a real drummers performance. Even Eric Persings will tell you that.

It sounds like you would benefit from acidized "drag & Drop" audio files. These are audio files, that will follow the tempo of your sequencer. You can drag a 8 bar loop onto the arrange page, followed by a 1 bar fill, then onto a different variance of the groove, another fill, etc... song construction type stuff.

I use Discrete Drums for this type of thing, for the vary reason you stated. Programming drums is my least favorite chore in all of production... especially when trying to emulate REAL drums. Life's too short... 🙂

http://www.discretedrums.com/

But I'd encourage you not to blame RMX. It is one of the most powerful loop based tools around. But a loop by definition is a repetitive performance. You are looking for something beyond that, that's all. You need a different tool for the job...

You can accomplish what you are trying to do.. Create a RMX module in Logic's arrange page. Make 7 more copies of the same module.. These will correspond to RMX's 8 tracks..

Go to RMX, on track one, select a groove, now drag that midi file to the first instance on Logic's arrange page.. Copy and paste the 1 bar midi file to the appropriate measures you need, 1-4, 9-11, etc.

On track 2 of RMX, select another groove, drag that into the 2nd instance of Logic's arrange page, place that at the appropriate measure, and copy to following measures, 5-6, 12-14, etc.

On track3 of RMX, select a 'groove fill (tom roll etc)'. Drag that into Logics arrange page track 3, and place at appropriate measure.. measure 8, 16, 32, etc.

Using this method you will have 8 different grooves available to use.. If you look in Logic's "LIST" mode you will see that each midi groove file you dragged from RMX, has a different midi channel.

This method makes creating a drum track easy, because it is very graphic when looking at Arrange page.. I usually 'color' the sections, so I know that a green one is a snare roll, a red one is a straight beat, a blue one is an alternate beat etc.. Once you've decided on your drum arrangement, you can bounce all the RMX midi chunks to one track. (make sure that the RMX is assigned to ALL channels)

If you need more than 8 grooves, create a 2nd RMX module in Logic, and do the above again.

oops 🙂
Now I'm quite 😉

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dhjdhj,

Discrete Drums is a Drum Loop collection. Loops of live drum performances, arranged in a construction type of approach. verse, chorus, verse 2, chorus, bridge, etc... with various fill options. It also has individual samples, to use separately, or in combination with the loops.

Back to RMX for a moment...Have you experimented editing the MIDI data to create the variances you want? I do this a lot... go into the piano roll editor, and start moving the MIDI events to other notes within the loop. You can get some wonderful variations this way, and can create entirely new grooves from the loop slices available to you.

Also, look into RMX'S CHAOS function. This is a built in "randomizer", that produces some excellent variations and fills from the existing loop.

If you haven't already, check out the tutorial videos on Spectrasonics' site. There is one where they get RMX to do exactly what you are looking for. I never use RMX for this type of app (I'm into the drag 'n' drop thing), but there's a different mode you can run that will allow you to automate the different grooves. You'd basically roll through the song and trigger the different section from a midi controller while recording the note info into a track in Logic.

Why not just fly in a crash from Ultrabeat?

dhjdhj wrote:

For example, I created a new track into which I put a 2 beat fill at the end of a verse but I can't figure out how to now add a SINGLE crash at the end of it.

It's a common practice to have stuff like cymbals, crash, ride, hats, ect... sitting on another MIDI channel, to add accents to a live drum loop.

And example would be an 8 bar groove played with no crashes. Simply adding a crash sample on bars 1 and 5, etc, or sneaking in an open then closed hat sample, would allow you to create variances of the main groove, without using up another MIDI channel with a slightly varied loop.

EDIT, I see rico already suggested that as I was typing.

I'm sure many of us here who do program drums (and I don't do it much anymore though) will use various software instruments, along with loops, to achieve the desired result.

One things is for sure... I never got the whole drum performance from one plug-in. It took many MIDi channels, as well as audio tracks, to create the final illusion.