HVX200 slow motion ?

I shot 720PN at 60 frames per second with the Panasonic HVX200. I used FCP "Log and Transfer," and it created Quicktime files on my scratch disk just fine. When I play one of those files in the Quicktime player, it actually has 60 separate frames per second - I counted them. So far, so good.
But when I import that file into FCP (Sequence set at 720 P / 24 fps), it will not play as a slow motion shot. It plays at regular speed; I can see people walking around at normal speed.
I tried using Modify - Speed to reduce the clip to 40%, but that just duplicates frames and gives a stuttering look. I can't figure out how to get all 60 fps in Final Cut Pro. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
- Seth Hill

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Jul 15, 2008 10:26 AM

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Jul 15, 2008 10:53 AM in response to Seth Martin Hill

YOu need to convert the footage. The best way is with the DVCPRO HD FRAME RATE CONVERTER...

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/rossshane/dvprohd/video-tutorial.php

Another way is to duplicate the clip, open it in Cinema Tools and then CONFORM it to 24fps. This is destructive, meaning it affects the main clip, so that is why I say duplicate. The FRC creates new media.
Shane

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Jul 15, 2008 11:47 AM in response to Seth Martin Hill

Seth,

I know that is doesn't help this time, but next time you want to shoot for slow mo you can do it in camera. Make sure that the 200 is set to shoot 720/24pn and is set to FILM CAM. Go to the menu, first item (can't remember the name I don't my cam in front of me) set the frame rate to 60, this is not 720/60p. This will overcrank your footage. When you get done, log and transfer into FCP to a 720/24p sequence and your footage will playback in slow mo.

K

Jul 15, 2008 2:34 PM in response to Ken-Summerall-Jr

I thought I did set the camera to shoot slow mo. I set the camera to FILM CAM, then selected 60 fps in the first menu, then set the record setup to 720/24PN. I thought this would "overcrank" the shot.
When I did Log & Transfer into FCP, I took a look at the Quicktime file that FCP created in my Scratch disk, and the Quicktime file really was 60 frames/second - like I said, I counted the frames in one second, and there were actually 60 frames in one second.
But when I put the clip into the Timeline (Sequence settings are 720P / 24 fps), the clip does not play like slow-motion; it plays at regular speed. If I use Modify - Speed to slow it down, it does not show all 60 frames, it just duplicates frames and creates a "stuttering" look instead of a smooth, slow look.
Is there a way to get the "overcranked" shot into FCP without having to convert it?
- Seth Hill

Jul 15, 2008 3:03 PM in response to Seth Martin Hill

I set the camera to FILM CAM, then selected 60 fps in the first menu, then set the record setup to 720/24PN. I thought this would "overcrank" the shot.


Nope...that didn't do it. YOu set the camera up at 720p60 and the frame rate at 24fps. Then it records 60frames to 24 frames...thus slowing it down. Play with this setting...

But when I put the clip into the Timeline (Sequence settings are 720P / 24 fps), the clip does not play like slow-motion; it plays at regular speed.


Yup...because just dropping 60fps into a 24fps timeline does not slow it down.

If I use Modify - Speed to slow it down, it does not show all 60 frames, it just duplicates frames and creates a "stuttering" look instead of a smooth, slow look.


Correct...because that is NOT the way to slow down DVCPRO HD 60fps footage.

Is there a way to get the "overcranked" shot into FCP without having to convert it?


No. WHy are you against converting it? The FRC makes a new clip that is slow...so you have the main clip which is normal speed, and the new slow motion version. Why is that a problem?

Shane

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Jul 15, 2008 3:05 PM in response to Seth Martin Hill

I assume you're shooting P2, not to something like a Firestore.

I'm actually with Ken here, and I'm confused by the difference that Shane has. To shoot at 60fps (not 60p), you should use this process in this order. I think you may have tripped up a bit by doing the process backwards.

1.) Set the camera recording format to "720/24PN"
2.) Access the SCENE FILE menu
3.) Set OPERATION TYPE to "FILM CAM"
4.) Set FRAME RATE to "60fps"

You say that you set it to FILM CAM and 60 fps in the first menu. I think that you probably set another recording format (720/30P for example) to shoot 60 fps. Then you switched to 24PN and reverted back to that. The thing that troubles me is that you said there were 60 frames in one second in the Log and Transfer. Seems like you're implying that they are 60 distinct frames per second. This says that the computer thinks the clips are 720/60p.

According to the manual (which I directly referenced in the steps above), you should be good to go. There shouldn't even be a pulldown problem.

I guess the question is to look in the properties (both in your Finder and in FCP) to see what the computer now sees the files as. 24P? 60?

And for right now use the converter that Shane recommended.

Jul 16, 2008 6:19 AM in response to majormajor22

Thank you to everyone for helping me. I tried some tests, and I found out it does not seem to matter what order I do the process, but I do have to set:
- Scene File Operation Type to Film Cam and Frame Rate to 60
- Camera Recording Format to 720/24PN
I tried those settings in different orders, and each time I got a shot that played in FCP (Sequence settings DVCPro HD 720P/24) with beautiful, languid, floating, dreamlike slow motion! And I did not have to convert, which I avoid because I'm lazy.
Thanks again.

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