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iPhone 3G Reception Problems? You're Not Alone - Continued

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Posted on Jul 26, 2008 10:50 AM

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Aug 12, 2008 3:05 PM in response to Nubz N.

Same here.. I get a perfect edge signal in and around my home, but the 3G signal is almost zero (this is in the centre of L.A. Miracle Mile) for some reason the iPhone sometimes does not want to use switch back to EDGE when in low 3G signal areas. Very annoying.. I have to go outside to answer a call or switch the phone to Edge when at home.

Aug 12, 2008 3:06 PM in response to Nubz N.

News articles are now popping up all over the internet about this:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10012420-37.html?hhTest=1&tag=xlr8yourmac
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/12/iphonereception_australian_mac_sales_boom_30_off_office2008.html
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/12/some-customers-with-iphone-3g-connection-iss ues/
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/374528_iphone12.html
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1351

Sorry if some are reposts....

Wonder if it's a software glitch (why would 2G be good, yet 3G so bad?), Hardware issue with either the antenna for 3G or the 3G chipset, or a bad batch of phones that have a manufacturing defect.....

I have a cracked white iPhone that I am going to hold onto until something comes out about this, then make the switch I guess...

Aug 12, 2008 3:32 PM in response to Nubz N.

There are obviously a decent number of defalty phones out there as anyone can tell by reading enough of these posts. I get the feeling however that many people who have not had to deal with 3g before are jumping to blame the phone a little too soon. I've gotten lucky. The reception is as expected on my iPhone, but I didn't set the bar that high either (no pun intended). The first thing you should do to begin trouble shooting to see whether the phone or the service is at fault, is to go into an at&t store and ask to see the coverage for 3g in your area. Their public website does not break down the level of service except on EDGE, for 3g it just shows if it's there, not how good it is. You might be amazed to see just how much less coverage there is for 3g than EDGE. (Also, by going into a store you will have several other active 3g and non 3g phones to compare coverage with)

For anyone that is confused as to why the coverage is so much less for 3g and wants to know if help is on the way, here is a copy of a post I left on another forum. For the many of you who are actually holding on to a bunk iPhone, you can use this as ammunition to support your case with Apple that the phone you have is indeed at fault for your connection issues.

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This is both a network and device issue. But which one is affecting you?

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To begin with I have a 3g iPhone and the reception is just as good if not better than my other 3g phones which include the Samsung Blackjack, LG CU 500 and Motorola V3xx, but then again I have sat 3 Blackjacks next to each other at the same time and had different reception on all of them.

Currently anyone can go into an at&t store and ask to see the 3g coverage in their area, and can get the same level of detail as shown on at&t's website for EDGE (why 3g hasn't been updated on the website is beyond me). This is the best way to find out whether the phone or the service is the issue.

For many the network is a bigger factor than the phone issue and I will address this in more detail because this will be changing soon, for the better, and may negate the need for a replacement phone. This is some enlightening information that I have spent a great deal of time researching. I hope you appreciate it. It is a little lengthy but will answer a lot of questions.

As far as the network is concerned, at&t has begun to switch their 3g to 850Mhz all over the country but is still in the beginning stages (At&t currently uses 1900Mhz for 3g, they used to use part of the 850Mhz for its analog network, but just completed migrating the last of the analog users off of it in march. This was government mandated, but I don't think at&t had any complaints as this network was more expensive to run and maintain, and was less secure). As you can probably tell by looking at your reception when on EDGE which currently uses this frequency as well, this will make a huge difference in usability while on 3g not to mention improving battery life.

As mentioned in earlier posts the reason for going to the lower frequency is because the physics of radio frequencies allow the lower frequencies to travel farther and penetrate walls better. This is also why all the wireless providers were jumping on the the sale of the 700Mhz spectrum at the last couple of spectrum auctions held by the US government. The 700Mhz is coming from the old analog broadcast television frequencies as the government is forcing broadcasters to go digital, which uses less space in the airwaves and frees them up for cellular use (This is good for all of us!). We will see this released to wireless carriers beginning in February of '09, however it probably will not be implemented immediately and it is slated for use on a new technology called LTE(3.5g or 4g depending on who you talk to) for most US carriers, except for Sprint which is going with wi-max on their 700Mhz winnings, this means you will need a new phone to take advantage of it.

The easiest way to explain why these lower frequencies penetrate better and travel farther would be to relate to other commonly known frequencies. X-Rays are higher than cellular and will bounce off of bone but not soft tissue. Going even higher to visible light (which is extremely high in frequency) which will not even penetrate soft tissue except when focused with extremely high power in which case it burns right through (think magnifying glass on bugs (-

Now for those who are concerned that their iPhones already weak 3g signal goes up and down while sitting perfectly still. There are many factors that can change the availability of a signal even if you don't move, but because of the inherently lower reception for current 3g these factors become even more apparent, not to mention that the higher frequency of the current 3g is effected by more factors than the lower frequency of at&ts EDGE. As you can see this does not necessarily mean that there are cheap materials in your phone. Radio waves are effected by various natural phenomenon such as weather (most notably and frequently wind, because of how it can effect the leaves on the trees in between your phone and the tower with which it is trying to communicate, not because the wind itself does anything to hinder the signal directly), however there are many issues that arise from weather phenomenon that is not as familiar to the lay person, such as solar flares and magnetic storms to name a few, which by the way are going on all the time even though most of us are oblivious to them. Probably the most interesting effect of weather on your phones radio signal is with sudden changes in moisture and temperature in high pressure areas. This can actually cause your signal to extend to well over a thousand miles! It can also cut your signal short. For more detail on some of these phenomenon check out this article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propagation.

Hopefully you now have a better understanding of what is going on with your network and your surroundings and how they effect your reception. I will continue with the information on the phone itself in a later post as it is getting too late to write intelligibly.

So, if after reading this you feel it's worth waiting to see if the network will improve enough to justify sticking with the iphone then until that point you can always turn off 3g when you don't need to be on the web and you will have the reliability of the original iPhone and the EDGE network for calling and short sessions on the web when you have patience and can't get 3g.

Aug 12, 2008 3:43 PM in response to Nubz N.

I am using Iphone Original. I am also getting same problem. While I am driving from my home to office, atleast there will be 3 dropped calls. I used blackberry pearl before my iphone, i didn't have any problems before. I went to apple store with same issue they replace my phone 4 times. I am still facing the same problem

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Kranthi

Aug 12, 2008 3:49 PM in response to Nubz N.

Reception is crap in Los Angeles for 3g. Yes you can turn it off but please explain what the point of getting an iphone 3g was then if I'm not even going to use it? It's too bad 3g doesn't have a data only option.

The iphone may be great with all it's app but it has to be a phone FIRST. Don't even get me started with the echo issues that the Iphone 3g has with many handsfree kits (OEM). That's a long thread too. Care to explain that?

Apple. This is probably one of your worst releases (compounded by that pathetic launch of MobileMe). I hope it's not like the first Macbook Pro release that had major heat and sleep issues that you carefully ignored and fixed on the new releases, leaving those who purchased the original laptops in the dark.

Don't make your loyal consumers QC and beta test for you. What happening to releasing products when they were READY to be released?

Aug 12, 2008 4:03 PM in response to Nubz N.

Terrible 3G reception here in San Diego..... at least at my house. Lots of echos and dropped calls. I kind of wish I would have kept my original iphone. A lot less problems with it. I was surprised when I bought the 3G the guy at the Apple store told me to "turn the 3G off if you're not using the internet" ***? Turn it off? Why? Doesn't it work? I mean how are you going to advertise something and then say "ohh yea, but don't use that all the time". Ridiculous.

Aug 12, 2008 4:41 PM in response to Nubz N.

I bought my 3G iPhone from O2 in the UK. I kept losing coverage in several different areas. I took the phone back to O2 who suggested I go to the Apple store. When I went to them they said 3G coverage was only available in the city centre!! I went back to O2 where I asked where in all their advertising do they point out that there is only limited coverage? They told me that there wasn't and that the phone WAS 3G and would work where they did have coverage. O2 have the worst coverage for 3G in the UK and have been warned by the regulating body. I was told by them that it is up to the customer to check this and not O2. What the **** is Apple doing picking a carrier with such poor network coverage and worse customer service???

Aug 12, 2008 5:07 PM in response to obwise

I'm in Los Angeles and reception in general is mediocre at best. Reception bars mean nothing as sometimes I will have 5 bars and the call quality will sound like I am in a fish bowl.

I was in San Francisco last week and reception in general was better. In Palo Alto it was perfect. I guess we all just need to live closer to Cupertino. 😟

Aug 12, 2008 5:10 PM in response to mozzor

Serial: 878281FN1R4

This is my 3rd Iphone 3g. I switched out the last two because I and Apple Care and ATT thought it was faulty phones...I have done full restores (without carrying over anything from backups) and power cycle constantly. No dice. Calls are HORRIBLE.

In case it's related. I had major echo issues with handsfree on all three phones as well (non existent with iphone 1g and ANY other phone).

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1598650

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