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The Neves, the Helios, the Pultec Pro, the Nigel... Are they all that? Will I hate myself after hit "confirm your order"? Seriously, are these "must haves" for serious work?

Thanks all...

MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, Logic 8, Apogee Duet, Rig Kontrol 3,, Mac OS X (10.5.3), Telecaster x2, Hodson503S, Gibson SG, Gibson Les Paul, Ibanez Artcore bass

Posted on Aug 6, 2008 5:47 PM

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Aug 6, 2008 7:23 PM in response to James Holloway

James Holloway wrote:
The Neves, the Helios, the Pultec Pro, the Nigel... Are they all that? Will I hate myself after hit >"confirm your order"? Seriously, are these "must haves" for serious work?


Yes, they're all that.... well, all except Nigel. It's good and everything, I just hate guitar amp modelers.
The UAD compressors are even MORE that all that... best software compressors available, anywhere, imo.

Without any specific knowledge to go by, I would assume that IF UAD-2 is right around the corner (and I personally believe that it is), that the plug-ins themselves would probably transfer over without anything else needed... they'll still run on the new card. This is all speculation on my part, but I don't think you need to wait for anything... go for it. You'll thank me when you do your next mix... 🙂

Aug 7, 2008 5:16 AM in response to James Holloway

There is a pop song that explain well the point about UAD plugin:

"Simply the Best"! 😉 (Tina Turner song)

About Uad-2 or Uad-1... it is not important which card will released in the furure...
in any case Neve Compressors and all others UAD plugins will be always with the same Higest, Fantastic, Great, Unique, Superlative, TOP QUALITY DIGITAL plugins.
everything else = money thrown!

G

Aug 7, 2008 7:31 AM in response to James Holloway

James Holloway wrote:
Thanks guys... and if I went with the UAD Xpander (the solution that plugs into a MBP's DSP port) the UAD-1/UAD-2 issue wouldn't matter.



Issue???
who has talk to you about UAD-1 issue???

it works from 1998 when was called "Mackie UAD DSP"
it is the same until 2008
over than 10 Years without any issue...

the only known issues are:
poor performance with PCI-X AMD-8131 (on G5 with PCI-X)
and
CPU spikes with the early 2008 Mac Pro 8 Core!!
(and I think this is a computer hardware or some bad buss cheapset issue)

ALL OTHER (pro) MACs are fully compatible... (UAD cannot works on iMac and Macbooks... it is made only for "pro" machines)
I have a Early (April) 2005 2X2 2Ghz G5 with PCI at 66Mhz and 3 UAD-1:
works perfectly here!

Mac Book Pro is perfect...
you can also use a expansion chassis in order to use 4 UAD-1e with no problems.

G

Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM in response to James Holloway

UAD Plugins?

Mostly all fabulous, with a few (minor) exceptions.

We had a bit of a UAD2 leak last week, so everyone's all in a tizzy - if you're considering buying, just be aware that in just a few weeks, it's possible that pretty much the same money would get you three times the DSP horsepower, so buyer beware...

But the plugins are well worth it.

Aug 7, 2008 12:14 PM in response to James Holloway

personally, for the price, they aren't 'all that'. Unless you are a pro making a living with your work, I wouldn't waste the money. The plugins are tres expensive, tres processor hungry (which is why they use the PCI-e cards which leaves Imac users out of the loop) and I have listened to mixes from both UAD, TC Powercore and Focusrite Liquid Mix and really could NOT, repeat NOT tell the difference.
Now, do the math:
UAD with Nevana plug ins with Wave processor bundle running on a new intel mac with Logic Studio 8
or
Imac running logic express and Fopcusrite Liquid Mix.
If you want to impress your clients and make good money, know what you are doing (yes, I am talking about completion of a bona fide school in audio engineering) then go for the former.
If you are a home hobbyist who wants to have a phat sounding final mix with little hassle, nice templates laid out for you to which you could probably send off to the pressing plant and it will sound as good as the former, go with TC Powercore or Liquid Mix.
One last note. The latter are firewire buscentric so they will inheret some latency to and from the Mac, but logic's delay compensation with a good audio card running ASIO drivers (Apogee, MOTU traveller) will compensate and you'll never hear it unless you are running 60 plus track counts.
UAD stuff is PCI-e based so latency is minimal if any.
Lastly, crap in, crap out. If your mix ***** to begin with, no amount of sweetening on the end of the mix will fix it, so bear that in mind. Pros use pro products but they are also trained audio professionals with years of schooling and experince. If you think you are going to pick up a pro product and immediately sound like a pro, you are in for a rude awakening.

Aug 7, 2008 1:36 PM in response to ShuckJiveHuckstah

{quote:title=ShuckJiveHuckstah wrote:}
personally, for the price, they aren't 'all that'. Unless you are a pro making a living with your work, I wouldn't waste the money. The plugins are tres expensive, tres processor hungry (which is why they use the PCI-e cards which leaves Imac users out of the loop) and I have listened to mixes from both UAD, TC Powercore and Focusrite Liquid Mix and really could NOT, repeat NOT tell the difference.
Now, do the math:
UAD with Nevana plug ins with Wave processor bundle running on a new intel mac with Logic Studio 8
or
Imac running logic express and Fopcusrite Liquid Mix.
If you want to impress your clients and make good money, know what you are doing (yes, I am talking about completion of a bona fide school in audio engineering) then go for the former.
If you are a home hobbyist who wants to have a phat sounding final mix with little hassle, nice templates laid out for you to which you could probably send off to the pressing plant and it will sound as good as the former, go with TC Powercore or Liquid Mix.
One last note. The latter are firewire buscentric so they will inheret some latency to and from the Mac, but logic's delay compensation with a good audio card running ASIO drivers (Apogee, MOTU traveller) will compensate and you'll never hear it unless you are running 60 plus track counts.
UAD stuff is PCI-e based so latency is minimal if any.
Lastly, crap in, crap out. If your mix ***** to begin with, no amount of sweetening on the end of the mix will fix it, so bear that in mind. Pros use pro products but they are also trained audio professionals with years of schooling and experince. If you think you are going to pick up a pro product and immediately sound like a pro, you are in for a rude awakening.{quote}


Thanks Shuckjuvehuckstah. I'm old enough to know that a UAD card is not the mythic Awesomeizer, and while I'd put my tunes up against most of the garbage that's marketed as metal or hard rock these days, I also know that coming out of my Mac Mini no one's going to think it's been mixed by Jimmy Page at Hedley Grange and mastered at Sterling Sound.

Schooling's gotta start somewhere so why not with top of the line gear? I agree, you gotta have a lot of years to develop your ears and experience, to get good/great at this art we all love, but why not wrack up the years using the best equipment your money can buy? That's why I went wit the UAD, after a lot of research, reading this board, talking to people, etc.

Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM in response to James Holloway

There are many people that don't understand why UAD Plugins never going to Native plugs!

http://www.chrismilne.com/uadforums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9217&p=78157#p78052
as you can see I know everithing about UAD-2
my post is focused to avoid misunderstandings.
It was for stirring up further disinformation:
The plugins will be the same...
such as Cambridge EQ... the UAD drivers will be upgrade, but Cambridge EQ will be always at version 1.0!

The plugin will reamain exactly the same with the same sound quality!!!

they are Hardware emulation...
you cannot update a Neve compressor or a Roland Dimension D.. because you cannot update a piece of hardware...
they will be for ever the same!

Thanks

G

Aug 8, 2008 2:14 AM in response to Bee Jay

Bee Jay wrote:
No, UAD cards add latency because of the need to buffer data from the host to the card, and buffer it back again - this makes them not suitable for tracking (but fine for mixing).



From version Logic 7.2.1 was released it support the use of uad plugins in Live mode such as rewire behavior and/or "force Logic to work in Live mode with UAD plugins...
with the same latency that your buffer setting. (this require a certain ammount of host CPU power request... about 10 or 20%... depends about how many UAD plugs tracks are in live/recording mode)

I use a Roland Dimension D in insert of a Logic Aux Input where is plugged a Oberheim Matrix-1000... it is a "vintage" mono 6 voices Synthtetizer...

But I obtain a super Great Stereo Vintage Pad that works in LIVE mode!..

So, you can use Nigel in Live mode as well...
the only limitation is... you only put just ONE Uad plugs on each channel

this allow you to use the Neve 88RS Channel Strip with no more than 10 ms of latency at 48 khz with 256 buffer setting!

G

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