Velocity colors in piano roll

Hello every/anybody,

I am stuck here: is it not possible to customize the colors used for velocities in the piano roll?
I cannot seem to find any reference to it in the manual, nor can I find a map of the colors as logic uses them, nor can I find anything on this forum... am I just overlooking something obvious...? The velocitycolors in Score are not related to those in the P-roll editor, that much I found out...

regards, Erik.

G4 dual 1,25 FW800, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 10, 2008 3:36 AM

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Aug 10, 2008 4:28 AM in response to Eriksimon

What is the problem?
they are Logic colors
they are the same as ever...
I Use Logic from over than 15 Years... they are the Logic reference colors...

you cannot customize it in orther to make it resemble like as cubase or other software... because Logic is the first Daw's that has introduced the colors-velocity way!
is a trade mark!
is a part of Logic DNA...

those colors are not castomizable on any DAWs!

in any case you can see the relative velocity by using "List event Editor"!

G

Aug 10, 2008 4:28 AM in response to Community User

fermusic wrote:


you cannot customize it like as cubase or other software... because Logic is the first Daw's that has introduced the colours-velocity way!
is a trade mark!


Wrong and wrong...

In Cubase you can select colors for:

1.Velocity
2.Pitch
3.Channel
4.Part
5.GridMatch

Not only that, the first four -each- have a completely customizable color grid.

And it's not Logic's trademark nor do they have a lock on it.

pancenter-

Aug 10, 2008 4:41 AM in response to Pancenter

I never see that un cubase VST32
(for my personal expirience is Like a "trade Mark of Logic")

But a don't see where is the problem!
I think is very easy to see the velocity using List Events editor in orther to learn how logic works.
I find the scale of colors used in Logic absolutely logical

I don't understand why so much people think that Logic must becomes the same as Cubase...
In any case I understand perfectly the question target of this thread.

🙂

Keep cool man

Aug 10, 2008 5:04 AM in response to Community User

Is this how serious questions are "answered"? By showing some misplaced and totally uncalled for "loyalty" to Logic, against Cubase(??? whose name I never even mentioned). I don't remember that I was asking for a debate on software-preferences... especially since I believe this is an Apple-forum about Logic Pro - that should make clear what my preference is.
Having said that: I was looking for the answer to the question whether it is POSSIBLE to either edit the velocity-colors and/or their respective values. This is apparently possible in Cubase, and I imagine that in terms of programming this would be a nobrainer to add... the argument that it has always been so and that therefore it must be good and remain so is, of course, a tad silly.
When one has a half bit decent array of instruments, it is very nice to be able to create instrument-specific velocity colorschemes. All this has nothing to do with some conspiracy to turn Logic into Cubase... jeez... It is called "workflow"... and the fact that it hasn't changed in several years is not a valid argument, as you seem to believe. Fact is it CAN be quite practical to customize things in big and complicated arrangements.

Aug 10, 2008 5:38 AM in response to Eriksimon

The scale of colors is one thing that makes the laws of nature!
In my opinion LIVE in harmony with the nature is essential!

the colors of nature ranging are from ultraviolet (pianissimo) to infrared (fortissimo)

if they should be customizable I will Make exactly the same choice!

But perhaps, English is not my native language, or I misunderstood something ... if so I humbly ask forgiveness!

My Apologize for that... my personal welcome to Eriksimon at Apple discussion (Logic Pro) forum
this is your first post... (only now I see the number ammount of your posts)

Welcome again

🙂

Aug 10, 2008 5:47 AM in response to Community User

Thats okay. It is just that I have a keen eye for color, so with 127 velocities I'ld like at least 16 or even 128 colors... and I do agree that the present order does make sense.. it is just that I can HEAR a difference between a velocity 34 and 45, for example... so I'ld like to SEE that also. And again, in terms of the programming required I think it is a piece of cake...
O, and by the way, I've worked on macs for over 18 years now, used Cubase from System 7.0 through to 9.2.2, and only last year switched to logic - which I do now very much prefer. That does not mean that Cubase has nothing to teach Logic; adding a feature like this just makes sense. And I don't doubt that the default setting would be what it it has always been - since that makes sense too...

Thank you for your welcome, and I too must apologize, for my grumpy responses.

regards, Erik.

Aug 10, 2008 7:31 AM in response to Eriksimon

I think that use a Thousand colors graphic resolution require a lot of Power CPU stress!
I use also Cubase... and one of the majior problem about reduction of Audio performance is stryctly related with Graphic resolution!

Logic is a Audio Daws... you don't need a photoshop resolution for make music.

I prefer a Daw that use every power resources for the Sound Quality and smooth graphics scrolling! (This is the Logic way)

I suggest you to stay focused to learn how logic works with Audio...
this is the most important point!

Don't loose your time to find a setting that makes you able to work with Logic like as Cubase way... (this is wrong way)
your work will become very difficult and frustrating!

If you need advice for learn the Logic way...
feel free to post your question!

With Logic you can do everything but in a different way...
after... you will be surprised...

G

Aug 10, 2008 8:49 AM in response to Community User

That wasn't his question though was it.

As I think Eriksimon now probably realises...... No, there is no way to customise velocity colours in Logic.

Good idea though for people who WANT to use that and may find it helpful. I think it is valid to compare a feature you are looking for to one in another app so that people reading the post can get the gist of what the poster is actually asking. Articulating to focus a response on the individuals question is not a bad thing.

And from a technical standpoint. A colour in Logic, at a programming level, would have an RGB value assigned. I don't think it would stress the CPU too much to add more colours as the same amount of digits would be used to represent one colour over another. Obviously, those values would change depending on the colour picked. So really, Logic would be pre storing maybe only a couple of hundred numbers depending on the actual range the OP had in mind.

It's a good question with a straight answer and opens the possibility of discussion. Which in my book is a good thing. This is a discussion forum.

Personally, I would have no use for extra colours. But we all work in different ways and what is useful for one may not be for another.

I don't know why you just don't answer the question instead of saying "You don't need to do that". If it helps a user then there is a need for it. Whether it will be implemented, or whether other users would find it helpful (helpful enough to be added as a feature) is a separate matter all together.

I don't think audio came to Logic until version 4.If someone asked on a Logic 3 forum if they could get audio into Logic as well as midi your way of thinking would invoke a response of "Logic only does midi, it is not the Logic way to deal with audio". Which is not conducive to progress or discussion in general.

Aug 10, 2008 9:28 AM in response to octopi

octopi wrote:
"Logic only does midi, it is not the Logic way to deal with audio".


Wrong.... wrong... wrong 😉

EMagic Logic Platinum 3.x works with DAE TDM HADWARE AND VST on Macs...
I have a Macintosh 9600 that works with an oldest DAE TDM DSP card!

Emagic Logic Audio version 1 works with Audio too...
it is not just a Midi sequencer!!

Maybe you are talking about E-Lab Notator?

Logic Pro 8 is only the eighth version of a AUDIO DAWS born in 1986/87!

and we are in a Logic pro forum!

If you want talk about the Story of Audio in Cubase... I know the History... is not so clear...

Logic Audio is absolutely clear and not related with Digi-Steinberg agreement and disagreements History... but I know the real one... and you?

😉

Aug 10, 2008 9:28 AM in response to Eriksimon

Just ask Apple to suggest it as a new feature,
as a Drummer I would like velocity presets
as in cubase, at work I use Cubase for my Drum
Sessions.
work flow is better in Cubase

Aug 10, 2008 9:29 AM in response to Community User

Yeah, my mistake. I was doing it off of the top of my head you see. To illustrate a point. My mistake came from Logic changing it's name to Logic Audio with version 3.

In the winter of 1994 Notator Logic was released that included being able to handle audio.

Despite getting the version number wrong all the points of my previous post stand and the part you highlighted was merely to make a point. I see you didn't quote any other parts of the post.

I'm off now cuz I have 2 songs to mix.

Aug 10, 2008 9:49 AM in response to octopi

I respect your point as well. (But Logic Audio was before than Logic Platinum 3)
at the same times (1993/4...I don't remember exactly) Steinberg was only a Midi sequencer...
and the VST24 has been made with Digidesign stuff...
but...
Steinberg had to deal only with MIDI section...
but something went wrong!

G

Aug 10, 2008 9:45 AM in response to Community User

Obviously this is your experience because you are accustomed to working in a way good for cubase.

what you mean Velocity Presets?

If explain me the point I will be happy to solve your problem by showing the Logic Way

G

Aug 10, 2008 5:27 PM in response to Community User

I-ran simply means he too would like the feature this whole topic is about. You seem to have not understood that. It is the SAME thing: being able to customize the colors BUT ESPECIALLY the ranges of the colors.
That more than eight colors would overstress the CPU was not even an issue say 15 years ago, when CPU's were roughly 100fold slower. For how long have Macs been supporting at least 16 bit color?

There is no such thing as "the Logic way" (as you so devoutly put it) around this (tiny) problem.

I-rans' suggestion (to request it as a new feature in future updates) makes sense, I'll do that - though I can hardly imagine I'm the first...

regards, Erik.

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