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GPS with no cell service

I am new to iPhones and bought the new one for GPS but if I get where there is no cell service, as in the national forest in Oregon last week, there is no service and hence no GPS. I think that dedicated GPS units don't have this problem but have never used one before. Am I doing something wrong or is there a workaround/solution to this?

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Posted on Aug 14, 2008 10:19 AM

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Posted on Aug 26, 2008 10:57 PM

Here's my experience on this topic. I was recently at a remote beach in SW Western Australia, with absolutely NO cell service.
However, i wanted to drop a pin in maps to pinpoint my location for when I wanted to go back.
If you open maps with no cell service, you WILL get just a blank screen - HOWEVER, GPS still works FINE, and allows you to drop a pin with no problems. When I got back to an area with cell service, there was the pin, in the correct location, now with the correct map.
So while it's not very useful when out of cell range, the GPS chip does know where you are, and you can mark your location for later reference.
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Nov 6, 2008 11:45 PM in response to tortugac

how does the iphone's infineon chip compare with that in terms of accuracy and ability to detect weak signals? Do you know how many satellites the iphone's chip tracks at once to determine the signal?


The chip family that the iphone uses has published the ability to track 1t least 12 birds at once, but its not clear that the actual model in the iphone can do that, nor is it clear if it can track 12 in parallel or by time-slicing. See: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/why12.htm The key takeaway is that even three physical channels can give you 12 channel tracking, and only 4 are needed for a fix.

As for comparison to other chip sets, bear in mind that this chip was selected based on cost, and the requirement to perform E-911 functions, and anything else is gravy.

What you get in a hunting GPS or a Garmin are typically much more accurate, down to 12 foot accuracy on my Garmin. Best I've seen on the iPhone is 56 feet.
(Accuracy estimates are reported by some apps like the Track Thing, or gpsCompass (both free in the app store). Both can tell you exactly where you are without any map data from the cellular network.

Accuracy is one thing, Sensitivity is another.

The Infineon chipsets great claim to fame is the low low power and high sensitivity. Some of this alleged sensitivity comes from the fact that it gets its catalog information from cell towers, which means it knows exactly when specific satellites are supposed to be over head and exactly which frequency to listen on.

With this information it can tune in to that precise frequency an pick up the satellite a lot quicker with a lot weaker signal (such as when inside a building).

Nov 11, 2008 1:53 PM in response to evdh

I also tested above 2500 meters in South Italy where no cell signals was available and I wasn't able to have a position with GPS Kit and GPSlite on iPhone 3G. When I returned back to 2000 meters and below GPS worked fine again.

So I'm still not sure if GPS works without cell coverage?

GPS with no cell service

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