Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

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Dec 19, 2013 9:06 AM in response to mojarvinen

Yet again I see that people are using the displays that cause problems and try to mitigate it with glasses, grayscaling or something else.


I am the one using glasses and grayscaling.


The lights typically used in gyms/warehouses/offices make me feel bad. I can't get another "monitor" for that. The Crizal Prevencia glasses coating work.


As for displays, I already have one that works. Dell U2410.


I was pointing out the grayscale because I am a professional software engineer and I frequently work remotely and can't carry a 24" display around with me. Grayscale on my 2013 Macbook Pro Retina is literally the best scenario I've used a computer in for a few years.

Dec 19, 2013 10:37 AM in response to mvanier

There is a way to increase PWM to higher frequencies on intel graphics cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKzTDnTYTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XON8_wCPNUA


Here is the software that does it:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5J5qJAT3MhlblI2M1piQ3NYYzQ/edit?pli=1


Here is the free software he is using:

http://www.zeitnitz.de/Christian/scope_en


There is also some programing guides on how the code for this works:

https://01.org/linuxgraphics/sites/default/files/documentation/snb_ihd_os_vol3_p art3.pdf

and the code itself:http://pastebin.com/6iirMbfc


I believe among all contributions to flicker namely:


1. Dithering

2. Matrix Level Refresh Rate

3. PWM


PWM contributes the most to our suffering. (Of course I might be wrong) On top of that blue light which is more energetic makes things worse. Kvoth was saying that Dell U2410 doesnot bother him, maybe because it doesnot use PWM at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Dec 19, 2013 10:47 AM in response to Jessiah1

I was just playing around with my NEC231wmi which is a CCFL backlit and has a dither free 8-bit IPS panel. I was under the impression that the monitor uses no PWM at full brightness, however I was wrong. The monitor started to bother me. I then discovered that it uses PWM at 180hz. I then used the IntelPWMControl software to change the frequency to 600hz, There is a way to increease it to 2100Hz on which I am still working.. Suddenly I can handle the monitor better. The matrix level still refreshes at 75hz and I am currently trying to increase it to 82 Hz for which I know this monitor can handle. So I have managed in some way to eliminate most of it: PWM and dithering. I just wish the matrix level could go higher as well. I ll keep you guys posted on this.


PS: I am seriously looking into getting

FORIS FG2421

It has matrix level 120hz

No PWM above 20% brightness

The only worry is 8-bit +frc to produce 10-bit, but then I believe dithering is the lowest contributor to our sensitivity. It could be eliminated if colors are set low.

Dec 19, 2013 11:36 AM in response to ArtechokiQ

I'm glad you brought up the subject of 120Hz monitors, which are a comparatively new thing. In principle, this could completely or almost completely eliminate dithering-related eyestrain for the vast majority of people. In practice, it is going to depend heavily on whether the video card supports 120Hz updates. This is a promising avenue for the future. OTOH I'm not convinced that "setting colors low" (I'm not exactly sure what you mean here) will do anything to eliminate dithering. In principle, you would think that e.g. only using very basic colors (pure green, blue, red, black) would eliminate dithering, but in practice that doesn't seem to work. There is no guarantee that selecting e.g. a pure red color will result in that exact color being sent with no dithering. Computer video is complicated.

Dec 19, 2013 1:50 PM in response to Jessiah1

Jessiah,


LED lights on cars: I haven't had enough experience to tell. If they flicker, they probably bother me.


The eyestrain I get from e.g. Macbooks is mostly eye-muscle related. It does result in a headache if it goes on long enough. I think it's due to my eyes trying to track the tiny movement artifacts that are the result of the dithering/snow/whatever it is.


60 Hz fluorescent lights: also eye-muscle eyestrain. The light itself, though usually not very appealing, doesn't actually bother me. It's the flicker that is annoying. Maybe I should make a special trip to the DMV to test this, but I'm pretty confident of the result. Interestingly, enough people had problems with this that it's very rare to find these kinds of fluorescent lights any more (the magnetic ballast kind); they have almost all been replaced by lights with electronic ballasts that also flicker, but at 30000 Hz! I can handle that. Also interestingly, some new "flicker-free" monitors (e.g. the Dell U2413) do PWM at low brightness only and at very high frequency (> 8000 Hz). So the message is getting through. Now if only more computer manufacturers would be aware of the problems with dithering...

Dec 19, 2013 1:51 PM in response to Jerry3012

Jerry3012, that is not uncommon and there is some interesting info out there on how reading headaches can relate to this disease called "Irlen" http://irlen.com/ I will tell you that I have tried numbers upon numbers of different filtered lenses and nothing helps me yet as a solution, rose colored tint does help relax the eyes some but really does nothing for LED lighting in my personal case.


I would like to state to everyone else the reason glasses/coatings/filters are an important part of this discussion is for the reason that it would be the least invasive solution if one of them were found to work. I am currently trailing migraine medications one by one and it is dreadfully plagued with side effects so far 😟 Who know's what other risks I am taking by going from one drug to the next. Another thought is the very real possibility of damage to our eyes, there are reports showing retina damage to test rats with exposure to LED lighting, it is quite scary when a technology overides health concerns because of what is seen as a greater good...ECO friendly lighting.

Dec 19, 2013 1:56 PM in response to StefanD13

Stefan,


It's also possible to disable dithering with an nvidia card by adjusting the Xorg.conf file and setting

'Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Dithering=Disabled"'. For instance:


http://askubuntu.com/questions/263996/fixing-the-nvidia-graphics-screen-flicker- issue


Have you tried this?


In the long run, I think Intel video cards are a better bet, since Intel open-sources their drivers and Nvidia don't.


I wasn't aware that monitors did dithering on their own. Even if they do, I'm only testing on monitors which I've found to be OK (i.e. no eyestrain) with older hardware/software combinations. And, of course, there is the possibility that what is bothering us is not dithering per se, but something superficially similar.

Dec 19, 2013 2:01 PM in response to mvanier

Mvanier, something is still going on with all fluorescent lights for me regardless of spectrum or flicker frequency, the anti-glare coating makes this all but go away. They did not bother me until 4 years ago, I cannot say the scientific reason why the coating works, even my contact at Crizal who is a PHD says they should filter spectrum but not flicker however, maybe we do not understand light well enough to know what the coating is doing? I would encourage you to try some exposure with the lenses under those lights that bother you, I would be surprised if they did not help, it is just a gut feeling. My theory is you may not be as sensitive as myself however if you became more sensitive you may have trouble with all fluorescent lighting as well.


As for LED lighting on cars, where do you live? If in the USA I can provide info on what ones to check, the reason I am curious about this is because it sounds like you may not be aware of many LED lights that are out there and I am curious why. It would be really interesting to know if you only have issues with certain LED lights, that would be strange in deed...

Dec 19, 2013 2:08 PM in response to mvanier

Mvanier, one other interesting input about monitors. I am currently using a 42inch Pioneer Kuro Plasma model# 4280HD, I can look at this right in front of it for about an hour before needing a break. I was using a Dell 22inch CCFL before this and needed to wear my anti-glare glasses at all times, very interesting right? No change in computer, just the monitor. The plasma is about 6 years old, I am not sure what back light it is using but I would guess some kind of fluorescent lighting. My Plasma may actually mark a certain point of change in technology where monitors became much more bothersome. I thought with the model number you might be able to use your expertise for some comparison of modern day technology to the old and possibly see something that stands out....

Dec 19, 2013 2:39 PM in response to Jessiah1

Another thought is the very real possibility of damage to our eyes, there are reports showing retina damage to test rats with exposure to LED lighting, it is quite scary when a technology overides health concerns because of what is seen as a greater good...ECO friendly lighting.


I had my opthamologist run a battery of physical tests on my eyes. He said I have absolutely no physical damage to any parts of my eyes and that my eyes actually look very healthy, though slightly dry. He theorized that these issues are neurological.


Dec 19, 2013 2:40 PM in response to Jessiah1

Jessiah, one thing to consider is that CCFL-backlit monitors also use PWM for dimming. It's much less annoying than PWM on an LED monitor because the light doesn't go out completely on each cycle with CCFL like it does with LEDs. It's possible that this is bothering you. I don't know how plasma screens are dimmed. Also, does f.lux help you at all? For me it greatly relieves blue-light-related eyestrain (but not flicker-related eyestrain, of course).

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