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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Jul 31, 2014 4:26 AM in response to spprt

Update: Sadly, iPhone 4 still heavy eye strain within minutes. This way it's not usable.


I hope Apple know what's causing it now and that they can fix it on iPhones like they did for the iPad.


Summary:


iOS 6 (iPad 4, iPhone 4) - no eye strain

iOS 7.0.x to 7.1 (iPad 4, iPhone 4) - heavy eye strain

iOS 7.1.2 (iPad 4) - no eye strain

iOS 7.1.2 (iPhone 4) - heavy eye strain


The iPhone 4 is a "good display" one from 2010.

Aug 1, 2014 10:51 AM in response to spprt

i don't think it's due to OS version. i think it due to hardware. or perhaps settings for the hardware, refresh, brightness, etc.


one thing worth doing is seeing if the trouble is from looking at the screen or EMFs. this is easy. place the screen where it would normally be. have it on just like normal. cover it with some dark non metal material like construction paper so you can't see it. make sure it stays on and doesn't power down during this. now wait (or read something) and see how you feel. if you feel fine it really is the visual part.


i think it's due mainly to PWM. that's a way to dim the back light by pulsing it on an off. try a full brightness setting as this should not pulse the back light. if that works you can search out DC back lights that dim without pulsing the light.


this is a good read. http://www.eizo.com/global/library/basics/eyestrain/


here is a flicker free database: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm


also good reads: http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/SubliminalFlickerI.html

there are a few articles on this site worth reading. check out his articles page.


let us know what happens, ok?

Aug 1, 2014 5:24 PM in response to max.kammerer

I would try the 2014 MacBook Air. I have a an 11 inch and can use it for long periods of time with no problem. Mine has a Samsung display, which I believe may account for my ability to use it. I can also use the older gen 3 or 4 iPads, but not the 5 (Air), which has screens made by LG or Sharp if I'm correct. My wife has a MacBook Pro Retina 13 late 2013 with an LG display, which causes the symptoms use experience in a short time. It's not just display, however. If I plug my MacBook Air into an old CCFL Dell SW2409 via HDMI I get the nausea, eye strain. However I'm fine with the DVI output. It looks like the PWM frequencies may be different with either input, but I don't have an ocscilloscope to be sure.


TL;DR, give the MacBook Air 2014 a try, I'm very happy with mine.

Aug 2, 2014 11:38 PM in response to Scott98981

I thought I would chime in on the issue.


I have also recently found that I can't tolerate LED backlit screens, while I had no problem with CCFL ones. It appears I can tolerate an iPad 4 though (even though my specific one has a yellow cast over it, which I guess helps, I also don't use it for extended periods of time).


I recently bought a Dell U2414H to replace my LG 245 (which was CCFL). Even though it is flicker free, it still makes my eyes really dry, causes me confusion and I have a burning sensation. With really (Really) low brightness, much lower than my old monitor, and with really strong settings on F.Lux, the usage is tolerable, but the colors look ridiculous.


I also can't seem to find a CCFL based monitor anymore, it seems every company has switched to LED by now. By doing some research (and reading most of this thread) I am currently theorizing that it has something to do with blue light (or near UV light). By looking around, I noticed that recent BenQ monitors have a low blue light function, which I am guessing more or less changes the color temperature (similar to what flux does, or what you can do with all OSDs on all monitors). But they are promoting it as having less eye fatigue.


Also Eizo has this: http://www.eizo.com/global/library/basics/eyestrain/#tab03 . Funny how they conclude that "LED backlights and CCFL backlights have about the same amount of blue light" when the diagram they show shows otherwise. (yes there is a much smaller peak for CCFLs as well, but it's also higher in the spectrum, which maybe means that it's less harmful/sickening as well?). Their "solution" is pretty terrible. It's basically the equivalent of install "F.Lux" and lower the brightness. I was expecting something more scientific, like they installed some sort of coating on their screens, to make the LED spectrum flatter. Instead their solution is, make the colors of the screen appear much warmer than they need to be.


But at the very least some companies are acknowledging that the light that comes from LED has problems. Even though their solutions are laughable.


But it makes me wonder, why did they move away from CCFL so swiftly, when LED has a gazillion problems (they only recently started solving the PWM flicker) and why aren't they producing CCFLs any more, if for nothing else, for variety's sake and for people like us to have an option when looking to buy a monitor.

Aug 3, 2014 12:10 AM in response to NikolaosK

Also, I just realised. That graph on the Eizo page is VERY flawed.


From here : http://www.revoptom.com/continuing_education/tabviewtest/lessonid/109744/


"Not all blue light is bad. The labeled blue-turquoise light range, which is from 465 nm to 495 nm, is essential to our vision, the function of our pupillary reflex, and in general to human health. It also helps to regulate our Circadian sleep/wake cycle."

465-495nm is where CCFL peaks and that is non harmful light. So if we just compare LED to CCFL at the actually harmful frequencies (bellow 465nm), we can see the LED clearly has a ton more of it, which makes that whole article from Eizo a lot more hypocritic than I thought.

Aug 7, 2014 11:36 AM in response to max.kammerer

I also have severe pain in my eyes from late 2013 13" retina macbook pro, After research I found out I should go back to technologies of 15 to 5 years ago, to get a relief, I can not handle such a misery. I hate this system of billion dollar companies that they only think about their profit, nothing else, maybe I should hate ignorant people that can't think about their own good or bad and should be dictated by billion dollar companies. If you read threads of forums of the year 2008 that LED backlighting was a new thing at that time, people swore by LED that this technology is like a printed paper, very very easy on eyes, etc. I was fooled by them not believing my eyes that where in pain by this new technology. I don't understand why e ink technology should be neglected to this extent, maybe because the profit is in addictive backlit gadgets that destroy our eyes. I am stuck to find a decent CCFL LCD or CRT. 😟

Aug 7, 2014 11:54 AM in response to RMartin111

are any of you having issues with a non PWM monitor where there is no flicker? like the ones listed here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm


i'm taking a best guess approach when i purchase my new monitor. i'm getting something with no flicker on the back light and a high vertical refresh rate. if i can find one. also one with high native color so no color dithering. that's the best idea i have.


basically the idea is get something as close to sunlight as possible. smooth spectrum. SMOOTH. and continuous with no or little UV-ish stuff. both LED and Florescent have peaky spectrums and are so responsive to voltage they flicker. try to correct that best you can. Rrrrrrr!

Aug 7, 2014 12:30 PM in response to cporro

I have tried 2 flicker free monitors from dell, a P2214h and the u2414h. The U2414h was better for my eyes but after some days the eye hurt again. This time i want to try a gaming monitor as the Benq xl2420z that is flicker free and have a higher refresh rate 144mhz. Did any of you have tried the Benq xl2420z? I have read all the pages from this topic but don't remember to read something about this monitor.

Aug 8, 2014 8:26 PM in response to soundstar3

I'm curious to see how the higher refresh rate gaming monitors will work. I have had to stockpile old CCFL monitors as I haven't found any LED external displays that I can tolerate yet. I did have a Samsung LED TV with 120 Hz refresh rate that caused no problems, so this might work. Additionally some of the newer gaming laptops have higher refresh rates as well.

Aug 9, 2014 12:11 AM in response to soundstar3

If flicker free monitors still bother you, I don't see how higher refresh rate will help.


If your symptoms are mainly eye burning/pain it is most probably the harsh blue light of the backlit Led that is bothering you.


It's absolutely 100% frustrating that it appears that asking for a monitor that doesn't hurt my eyes has become too much to ask. I guess we are in the minority on this issue, but seeing the popularity of this thread and also numerous mentions on other forums and sites, surely it can't be that rare. Also I don't think the rising popularity of things like F.Lux is a coincidence.

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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