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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Oct 28, 2014 11:13 AM in response to Dovez

Have bought an ipad mini 2...

FIrst day, after 30 minutes usage, quite strong eye burn and pain in the left eye, usually this was the time where I started to prepare the return. The eye burn/pain lasted until next day.

Second day, after 1 hour, eye burn which was gone after half a day. (also updated to iOS 8.1, from 7.1.2, but I don't think it made a difference)

Third day, usage for more hours, light eye burn, gone after one hour.

Fourth day, which is now, seems quite comfortable to use.

So I really think I can adjust to use Apple devices.

Still, I don't think I can adapt to PWM, when present seems unbearable to me...

Oct 30, 2014 1:32 PM in response to StefanD13

Stefan, what is the progress with your test, how long can you use the ipad mini 2? For example in my case i am using Galaxy Grande but more than an hour or two (at most) per day looking at the screen hurts my eyes. It seems there is a cumulative effect when using some devices.In my case the progress is that at least i got used to a device for checking my emails on the road! At first i couldn't look at the device for more than 15 mins. But still it is a temp solution and this phone seems the only one i can tolerate for some time.

So up to now, do you think ipad mini 2 could be a device you could use for your daily activities with no problem?

Oct 31, 2014 1:04 AM in response to Exandas

Hi Exandas,

I can use now the mini 2 and the 5s throughout the day with no issues.

However I came to conclusion that non-PWM related eye strain is quite person related. and depends on the displayed content (which can be influenced by almost anythig - like viewing distance, hw pixel shape, resolution, dithering, colour temperature, anti-aliasing, picture/video material quality.) and how the brain has learned to process or actually how to focus the displayed content, so there is no rule which one can follow.

Nov 2, 2014 2:02 PM in response to StefanD13

At the office, we have Samsung 24C650 monitors on the desk. Resolution is 1920x1080. This monitor has PWM but it is ok to use with Windows XP on a VGA cable. It is not too bright, so if you turn the brightness to 100% and also turn color temperature to Warm2 and gamma to mode3 then it is fine to use throughout the day in that well-lit environment. The point I'm making here is that it doesn't always have to be a PWM-free device if you are willing to have brightness on max.

Nov 3, 2014 8:14 AM in response to Exandas

For almost a year I became a silent reader in this thread and almost every day I check this thread hope there is a solution. Today I've just checked my eyes to ophthalmologist and neurologist and they not found any abnormality in my eyes they suggested to me for a ct scan and blood test but I am still hesitant because it is very expensive.Neurologist just give me a medicine that relieve migraine pain.I feel frustrated so I decided to posted in this thread.For 4 years I have always used a netbook msi wind U130 with LED backlit and using it for hours and i never felt a headache or migraine but if I use another notebook or pc or smartphone(i can use blackberry and even with nokia,i can read text for hours without headache ) , in 5 minutes I immediately felt a headache and if i forced to use it for hours,I would have migraines and can be up to 2 days.i do not feel any eyestrain just headache and migraine.I have tried notebook with lcd ccfl and i'm still have headache although not as severe as lcd led.Can somebody give me a list netbook or notebook that can be used without having headaches ?I remember that exandas have posted that he can use sony netbook with led backlit without headaache or migraine,what is the type of that netbook ? I worry if my msi netbook screen is broken I can not use computer anymore.I 've checked in my area for this msi netbook but never found it.PS I 'm sorry if my english is not good and hard to understand because I am not a native speaker.





Nov 4, 2014 12:00 AM in response to hansennn

Currently i am using a led netbook Sony Vaio VPCYB2M1E/S with Windows 7, and i have no problems with it. I bought it a couple of years ago, so i am not sure if it's still in the market.

There are other people in this thread that could use older led laptops with no problem, so it seems something has changed in the meantime.


However, in terms of comfort my older ccfl monitors are years better than my netbook's led display, even if i can use the led netbook with no problem. CCFL displays seem to be warmer to my eyes.

Nov 7, 2014 1:26 AM in response to RMartin111

I once had the same problem. I didn’t know if it was the Retina screen. Actually I searched and tried some many solutions. These are what I collected; I hope it could help most of MBP eye discomfort.

1. Maybe the fonts are too small, or the backlight too bright, try to adjust font and backlight brightness as the same as the former computer.

2. Go to the eye doctor. Try to decrease the length of time in front of your MBP and balance it with break.

3. Check if the bluetooth that is giving you a terrible headache.

4. Install an eye protection app – F.lux (https://justgetflux.com/). It can really help reduce eye strain and discomfort when I used a Windows PC. But it also has a Mav version.

5. Choose computer eyewear like Gunnar and T’amie Optics. They can filter the harmful lights.

6. Return your MBP to store. (This is what I did)

Nov 20, 2014 10:43 AM in response to RMartin111

I was forced to return my MacBook Pro with retina display because I can detect the flicker on low brightness and the max brightness is just too bright for me. I keep finding myself squinting. I don't want to pay that much money for a computer that I don't feel comfortable looking at for more than 20 minutes or so. I initially got headaches and nausea, but that subsided when I began using f.lux and made other screen modifications. The general discomfort stayed.


I find it so odd that I can use iPhone, iPad, iMac with no issues whatsoever. It's only the laptops that cause my eyes to strain.


So I'm still in the market for a laptop that is eye friendly. I'm be willing to switch from Apple products...though I really don't want to do that. Any recommendations?

Nov 24, 2014 3:12 PM in response to Exandas

I do see that it has slowed down a bit around here, but I wanted to pose a couple questions.


Has anyone noticed improvement upon upgraded from iOS 7 to iOS 8, with your iPhone or iPads?

I know many people had issues with the upgrade from 6 to 7, so hoping perhaps some things got fixed or reversed in 8.

Also iOS 8 introduced a Grayscale option in accessibility. I know this helped one user use his rMBP. To him it made a world of difference.


Also very interested if anyone has tested the AOC E2476VWM6 mentioned above. It is flicker free and according to the marketing reduces short wave length blue light by over 90%. It claims to use a hardware solution to shift the blue light peak from 444nm to 460nm, essentially blocking wavelengths under 455nm. It claims its hardware solution is more effective than the competitors software solution (I assume they are refering to BenQ and EIZO that have low blue light modes enabled through menu). They also have a 21" model.


http://www.aocmonitorap.com/root/hk_en/product_display.php?id=5040

http://us.aoc.com/monitor_displays/e2476vwm6


These are not advertised as IPS panels and so I am assuming TN especially at the price range of around $150. The do advertise a color depth of 16.7million though, so I would assume the panel is 6-bit +FRC, but I cannot verify this in the tech specs. Does anyone know if true 8-bit TN panels exist or are in common use?


In any case if the claims are true this monitor could help both the PWM and blue light sensitivity. However, may not do anything for dithering in current Mac OS. One could test it in Windows XP with 16-bit color (this is native to a 6-bit panel no?), or with Ubuntu Linux which doesn't use temporal dithering with Intel graphics cards (however the hardware in the monitor could still do the dithering, if I'm not mistaken).

Nov 26, 2014 6:55 PM in response to RMartin111

I myself am unable to look at any LED screen. It causes too much eye discomfort.

IPS screens are the worst, followed by TN screens.

I can only use CCFL-backlit LCD screens.


I find that LED screens are slightly more tolerable when the blue color is toned down, so I think this definitely has something to do with the blue LED light.

(But even with the blue light toned down, I'm unable to look at LED screens for more than a few minutes.

It feels like the light is killing my retinas..)


I hope manufacturers will go back to CCFL-backlit LCD screens..

Nov 29, 2014 5:38 PM in response to TrashTreasury

i give up. I went out and purchased a Roku 3 for my living room tv and within minutes the headaches began. I wanted to try this because my Apple TV gen 3 hurt my eyes, headaches after updating to the latest software.


I don't know what else to do. I'm fine using my Apple TV gen 2 in the bedroom, I can use my iphone 5 with ios 7, but can't use iphone 6. I had to return it due to eye strain and headaches. I can use my ipad 3 with ios 7, but no go with ios 8. I tried using a MacBook Air and a windows laptop this year with the same bad results.


Is there a solution out there or is it all new technology will cause this type of pain? The frustration continues.

Dec 1, 2014 11:19 PM in response to RMartin111

Either the LED backlighting or retina display, actually can cause eye strain. Don’t ignore the link between these two issues and your eye strain. They both emit blue light which can block melatonin production and damage our retina. Of course, it can easily bring eye strain, even headache. Read this article to more know: Are LED Light Harmful to Eyes?


Talking about the Retina display, a lot of iMac users suffer from the dizziness and headache, but Apple can’t give a trusty explanation.

Dec 2, 2014 5:55 AM in response to Lexie Green

I was doing some testing and I am beginning to think more and more beyond the variables of hot color temperature (more blue), matte vs glossy and definitely PWM backlights (a real thing), that the dot pitch plays a role.


The monitor I use at the office, a S24C650 which I find comfortable once specific variables are set (max bright, warm 2, mode 3), I ran the specifications through a calculator and I have this: 93.34 PPI, 0.2721mm dot pitch


I have an old laptop that is also comfortable, I ran the specifications through the calculator and I got 98.02 PPI, 0.2591mm dot pitch


Contrast with the MacBook Air 11": 135.09 PPI, 0.188mm dot pitch

Air 13": 127.68 PPI, 0.1989mm dot pitch

MacBook Pro non-retina (still sold): 113.49 PPI, 0.2238mm dot pitch


iPad 2: 131.96 PPI, 0.1925mm dot pitch


As a sidebar, BlackBerry OS 10 phones on some devices have a slider to set warm vs cool color temperature (though OLED tends to use PWM so your mileage may vary) and Android can run apps like Twilight which is like f.lux and will give you a red cast of your preference.

Dec 2, 2014 5:21 PM in response to jk9217

I have found something promising.

(though I think others have posted about this before)


http://www.aocmonitorap.com/root/hk_en/product_display.php?id=5040

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/aocs-anti-blue-light-technology.html


AOC will soon come out with LED monitors equipped with Anti-Blue Light (ABL) technology.

This technology supposedly eliminates 90% of the harmful blue light emitted by LED.

It does this by shifting the wavelength peak of the LED backlight.

It will supposedly eliminate the harmful blue light without turning the whole display yellowish (like blue light reducing software do).

Also, these monitors will be flicker-free.


If this really works, I think it could be really good.


I think all laptops, tablets, smartphones, monitors, etc. should be equipped with this technology.


(Otherwise, I think we'll see an epidemic of people with vision problems (such as macular degeneration) due to the LED's.)

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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