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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Apr 20, 2015 9:07 PM in response to azure8

I have a new computer for my old monitor which was never perfect for me. It also has intel graphics in it which I know some are not a fan of.


Anyway, what I was playing with tonight was custom resolutions and timings. See, you can chose between GTF, CVT and CVT-RB. In the simple settings type the resolution you use, 60 hz and select CVT-RB as the timing. I think you will see a difference. You can also prove it a different way if your monitor is problematic. Look at the gradient test at lagom.nl or something. The gradients looks different depending on the timing you selected. There are other things I played with a s well such as editing the rgb range as an experiment, but try that first with the timings.

Apr 24, 2015 7:56 AM in response to Gurm42

I'm heading to the big Verizon store in Boston today to check out a few phones:


- Sony Xperia Z3v (with triluminous display, not holding my breath for this one)

- HTC One Remix (uses the same 720p display as the old HTC One X, but with a Qualcomm chipset instead of nVidia)

- Samsung Galaxy Core Prime (800x400 display!!!)

- LG G Vista (720p display on a 6" screen, lowest PPI of any modern phone)

- Kyocera Brigadier (super ruggedized, basically same phone as the HTC One Remix but rugged from Kyocera with Sapphire Glass)


The Galaxy Core Prime is very similar to the Galaxy Grand Duos, any one of these might be a winner for me. None of them are especially expensive.

Apr 24, 2015 8:56 AM in response to azure8

Azure 8 - can I ask if you experience any discomfort using the Dell XPS 13, please? And also whether you use the 1080p or the QHD version?


Like you, I'm minded to try the new Macbook, but I'm not going to buy one if I experience any discomfort, so I'm interested in whether or not the Dell XPS 13 might be, for me, a useable substitute. Thanks in advance.

Apr 24, 2015 8:37 PM in response to FNP7

FNP7, I have the XPS 13 1080p.


It's useable. It's definitely not as comfortable as my white macbook, but it doesn't give me a headache right away like my previous Lenovo work laptop.


I checked out the new macbook today and I experienced the same nauseating symptoms within minutes as I get with other Apple laptops. It's beautiful and definitely the future of computing. I just wish it worked for me.

Apr 26, 2015 4:17 AM in response to RMartin111

For those who are still searching for an external LED backlight monitor:

Last year I bought the BenQ EW2440L. It was one of the first monitors they advertised as "flicker-free" - that's why I gave it a try. It didn't work. I got the usual eye strain and even headaches. But it turned out my device was defective. The backlight did flicker, and this year I got a warranty replacement from BenQ. It has a slightly newer production date. Long story short, the eye strain is gone (see 2nd paragraph)! I had to adjust the brightness to a miminum though, as I had to do before on my iPad, and as a consequence I have to use it in a darkened room to see anything. Daylight conditions + reasonably high monitor brightness won't work for me.

Brightness 0, Contrast 22: The screen's content looks very similar to my iPad 4 in terms of color reproduction, black levels, and brightness (iPad brightness = 0). A drawback is that both the old and new BenQ monitor don't have a good luminance uniformity.

The monitor's "low blue light" setting doesn't make any further difference to me. It's just looking more yellow.


It was not easy to recognize the replacement monitor as a "good" monitor:

At first I used Windows 7 with an AMD card (I used AMD cards only, for 10+ years): Eye strain, although not nearly as bad as before.

Then I used Linux Mint 17.1 on the same computer, same graphics card: Still Eye strain

After that, I changed the graphics card to an Nvidia Quadro and installed the Nvidia drivers: Noticeably less eye strain, but still eye strain.

I used this setup for some weeks, but the eye strain didn't go away.

Then I went back to Windows 7 + Nvidia drivers: Eye strain completely gone in an instant. I can even use Aero now (the frosted glass desktop) which for some reason was impossible to bear with AMD cards. I can finally use the PC all day long.


In my opinion this further strengthens some theories:

- The absolute amount of LED light can hurt even with a "good" monitor - regardless of environmental brightness.

- Both software and other hardware (graphics cards) have to be "good", too, which is trial and error.

- Since I never saw any eye-friendly desktop Linux, and even the Raspberry Pi hurts on this monitor, I still believe that the Linux "X server" is problematic in general. Maybe the upcoming Wayland can fix this.

- It's said on several but few websites that AMD cards, more specifically their drivers, use temporal dithering by default while Nvidia, at least under Windows, does not. That might explain why switching the graphics cards did work for me.


Hope this helps anyone

Apr 29, 2015 1:40 PM in response to Gurm42

Ok so a few phone things to report:


- LG Lucid 3: This phone was tolerable. At least, it was in the store.

- HTC Desire 612/610: The 612 is the Verizon 540p HTC phone, the 610 is AT&T. I thought, that since it has the same screen specs as the LG, that it would be ok. So I bought one off Amazon sight unseen. It's a great phone - but hurts for me to look at. The screen is VERY flickery, but I don't see any PWM so I'm assuming it's using MASSIVE amounts of temporal dithering. It pains me to say it but I think it will be going back. The screen on this phone is also VERY reflective/glossy.

- Samsung Galaxy Core Prime: Ok, again in the store. Not sure how it would fare in the really real world, but this might be the next one I try. Lowest resolution screen of any modern-generation phone currently in production, at 800x480.

- Kyocera Brigadier: In the store this was "ok". It's 720p, and behind Sapphire Glass. I'm just not sure how well it REALLY would work for me, and it's a bit expensive to just "try out".

- HTC One Remix: Also 720p, but actually easier on my eyes than the 540p Desire. Perhaps because the screen is more "matte". These have really quality control problems, though. Apparently the microphone cuts out a lot.


Basically I'm back to square one. Still using my iPhone4s, which is slowly but surely dying. I'm basically using it with an external battery pack all the time, and hoping it will last another few months since the Desire was a non-starter.


Very depressed now.

May 21, 2015 1:37 AM in response to RMartin111

I've been following and posting in this thread for several years now and I still haven't got a resolution to the problem of eyestrain, motion sickness and migraines from my Macbook screen. Here's what I've tried so far:


- Screens: I got Apple to replace the screen in my Macbook Pro (Late 2011) several times with different models to see if any of those would help. I have the exact same symptoms with every one - 20 minutes of use and I develop eyestrain and motion sickness. Any more than that and I can be wiped out with a migraine for a couple of days. It also doesn't matter what brightness I'm using on the screens, PWM doesn't appear to be an issue for me.


- Opticians: I've had my eyes tested many times by opticians and doctors, everything checks out fine and I have no strabismus or other complaints as discussed earlier in this thread.


- Software: I've tried Shades and flux, no difference. I've also tried software which lets you lock onto using just the on-board Intel graphics or the AMD Radeon graphics permanently, without switching between them. No difference with either.


- Bootcamp: I'm currently typing this on Windows 7 on my Macbook which gives me pretty much the same symptoms as far as I can tell.


- External monitor: This is what really confuses me. In my studio I have a PC running Windows 7 plugged into a Benq monitor which I can use for 14 hours without any issues. When I plug my Macbook into this, however, I get the same symptoms as I get from the Macbook screen itself. I've tried using MiniDisplayport to HDMI, VGA & DVI with the same results. This is true for all external monitors which I've tested.


The last point indicates to me that it's not the screen itself that is causing a problem for me, but rather the way that OSX (and indeed Windows 7) is rendered in the hardware of my Macbook. Why would a screen which I can use all day with my Windows desktop be unusable with my Macbook? This has been perplexing me for a while now so I thought I'd write an update and see if we can get some discussion going around it.


I realise that people here are experiencing a variety of different issues but I'm sure some have the same problem as me. I'm desperate to find an answer because my job involves teaching people using Macbooks almost exclusively and I'm currently living my life with permanent headaches and migraines (and finding some relief from migraines with Sumatriptan for anyone else having problems).


Any thoughts are appreciated at this stage!

May 21, 2015 3:16 AM in response to spprt

Thanks for the reply. The PC (Windows 7) plugged in to the Benq monitor is running an Nvidia GTX285 graphics card, with Aero enabled. It doesn't matter what settings I use on the PC, what look or desktop etc, it never gives me any eyestrain whatsoever.


My Macbook has an AMD/ATI Radeon 6750M graphics chip, although when using the Intel integrated graphics I get the same migraines. I know that the ATI graphics cards use temporal dithering in OSX but I'm struggling to find a way to disable that to rule it out as I've pretty much gone through everything else I can think of. When plugging my Macbook into the same monitor above I can't use it for more than 20 mins without developing severe symptoms.

May 21, 2015 3:48 AM in response to SimonStokes

It always helped me a lot to disable Aero when using AMD/ATI cards. Maybe it helps you, too, either for using the external monitor or even the Macbook itself. Keep in mind that modern web browsers also use 3D acceleration nowadays. With Chrome for example, I'm having a little trouble even when using my Nvidia card. Firefox's 3D mode is OK for me, but not with AMD. With AMD I always had to turn off any 3D acceleration in any programs.

May 21, 2015 6:48 AM in response to SimonStokes

Simon,


Radeon cards use Temporal Anti-Aliasing (dithering) in Windows as well as OSX. NVidia cards don't. I don't know if this is the only reason, but I started finding Radeon cards unusable for me in around 2012 and switched solely to GeForce on all my units (laptop and desktop) at that time.


Please try to disable the temporal anti-aliasing in Windows... I found a "how to" on the AMD forums a while back. You have to modify the registry but that's pretty easy (much easier than trying to do this on OSX).


Let us know if this fixes things for you in Windows on external displays (or even on the internal display!) since this is DEFINITELY an ongoing problem.


I know people were VERY skeptical when many of us in this thread reported having the same problem on EXTERNAL displays, but that was before the realization that the output was being monkeyed with.


Basically, the chipset is supposed to QUERY the display and see if it needs dithering or is 8-bit. But for whatever reason, Radeon chips default to ignoring the display's information entirely and having temporal dithering ALWAYS ON. This is problematic, of course, because many of us can't handle the "dancing pixels" this produces. GeForce cards - in windows, at this time - behave appropriately.

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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