Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Jul 11, 2015 7:24 PM in response to Gurm42

Hi. I've been following this for awhile and it appears to be the most comprehensive coverage of this problem.

For the last several years, I was exposed to PWM and it gave me all sorts of fun side-effects from headaches, inability to learn (in school at the time) and a overall depression (amongst several other things like a "cloudy mind")

I identified my LED monitor and LED laptop to be the culprit and stopped a overall viewing of any screens I'm not sure contain these effects.


Reading through this it seems something called temporal dithering and blue leds also are part of the problem.

In my attempt to get rid of PWM affecting me, I ended up using this list to obtain a new monitor

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm


ending up with the Dell U2414H

Following this (over a period of 6 months) I have been in recovery. My headaches diminished, I could focus again and my depression lifted (with no other life changes - interesting). Following a several hour usage I develop some headache but goes away after a short period of time which should be expected as opposed to the 24/7 cycle of pain (some other posters I'm sure know exactly what I'm referring to).


The fact that something flickering could cause such a negative impact on my life is something I've been dealing with and I'm incredibly glad I got that monitor.

However, I really like laptops. For some reason, this seems to be non-existent and I've been searching this thread for what could work. I wonder if such a list of viable laptops exist like the list above for desktop monitors.


I do not use Mac and am a avid Linux user, but in this issue, I'm pretty much willing to go with whatever (I'll still probably try to get linux to run on it 🙂)

Jul 12, 2015 1:54 AM in response to Slacor

Hi Slacor, I can sympathise with your situation as I've had a lot of the same side effects myself - this can have a very negative impact on your life. I'm now getting to the point where I'm working out the root of my issue and have had a bit of a breakthrough this week that makes me realise I've probably got the exact same issues as Gurm42 above.


As I mentioned in my previous post, I can't use my Macbook any more (not worth the pain!) so I bought a really cheap Acer Aspire PC (2nd hand, only £120!) to use as a work computer at home. It uses Intel HD graphics (similar to my Macbook Pro) and I noticed that after an hour of using it on the first day I developed the exact same symptoms as if I was using my laptop - nausea and a swirling headache which eventually developed into a migraine for a day and a headache that lasted for another day.


Since I'm using the same monitor that I can use for hours on my old PC (Benq G2420HD CCFL) I figured the only thing different is the Intel HD graphics chip which the Macbook also uses. I bought a cheap Nvidia graphics card (GT 610 - £30) and installed it 2 days ago and I've been using the computer non-stop since then with absolutely no issues. This may also explain why a user several posts back reported that they could use the new Macbook (with Radeon R9 graphics + the new Intel Iris onboard graphics chip) where they couldn't use the old Macbook with the Intel HD chip.


This makes me wonder if I'm sensitive to LED light at all as I thought I was for years. I have an Acer LED monitor that came with this PC I'm going to test with this setup tomorrow to see what happens. I have a suspicion that it's a combination of factors that give me my symptoms - blue light, perhaps temporal dithering, probably not PWM for me.


Anyways, if you're suffering then I'd highly recommend getting pretty much any cheap PC second hand from Gumtree and bung an Nvidia GT610 into it, if only to rule that out as a potential solution.

Jul 12, 2015 4:24 AM in response to SimonStokes

Hi Simon,


Thank you for joining the discussion.


I am the guy that replaced the rMBP for the newest model with Nvidia graphic card.


I can confirm that I still using 8 hours a day at work + 2 hours at home, with no issues at all. I haven't experienced any pain or even a discomfort after replace the machine when as soon as I noticed that the new one came with a new graphic card. I just glad it worked out for me. I just curious and crossing my fingers to Gurm42 (and all the other members) finally experience the same relief I did after test the new machine.

Jul 12, 2015 4:33 AM in response to AMCarvalho

Hi AMCarvalho, I'm looking forward to going into the Apple store this week to test out the new Macbook Pro. Just to confirm - yours has the AMD Radeon R9 / Intel Iris Pro graphics combo doesn't it? Not the Nvidia as you mentioned above! I've confirmed that it's the Intel HD graphics that seem to be the root of all evil for me, or at the very least part of it, so perhaps the switch in the new Macbooks over to Intel Iris Pro onboard graphics could be the solution. Fingers, toes and other extremeties are all crossed at this point..

Jul 15, 2015 9:50 AM in response to SimonStokes

This is really confusing, since I own a IPC2 (http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/specifications/ipc2-models/?model[]=IPC2-C460 0-WACB-FMUSB3)

which has Intel HD 4400 Graphics.

Why am I not experiencing these effects? I notice eye fatigue after several hours of usage, but none of the horrible stuff.

I also had some monitors at work that were causing the same effect, after switching to the new monitor, no more effect.

For me, the problem is mitigated, since with the monitor I do not experience any further effects. I want a laptop that also is ok, but getting a screen that works is a tremendous barrier.


"Do you know if the backlit Kindles use temporal dithering? Do you suspect your eye strain on those devices are more likely related to the backlight, or the temporal dithering? Is there a way to turn off the backlight completely, but keep the dithering on, to see which one affects you more?"

I had a kindle, the backlight was definitely the issue. I had to give it away and got one with no back-light, no problems since. You cannot turn the backlight off in the kindle.



Forums are amazing, but there really needs to be a page somewhere summarizing the last 2,272 replies.


So far I understand this:

PWM is bad

Blue LED's are bad.

Temporal Dithering is bad

Intel HD graphic chipset is bad


newest model with Nvidia graphic card. Good

Also, is it so simple as "Eye strain"? I can read a book for 4 hours and get eye strain, but this is a whole new lever (IMO)


I'd like to create a page somewhere, maybe a wiki, or self-hosted.

This is definitely something that needs to be more accessible, this is having a profound impact on people and it's quite difficult to find info on it!

Jul 15, 2015 5:35 PM in response to Slacor

I agree with Slacor that it is really hard to find information on this specific issue we are all presenting. Even the title of the thread with just mere "eye strain" in the title seems too trivial. For many of us, this is much more than your typical eye strain you get when you read a book for too long. Often times, the effects are immediate (within minutes), and take days to resolve with rest (instead of a couple hours with normal eye strain).


I was fine all workweek until I worked for less than 5 minutes with a colleague yesterday that had dual Dell P1913 monitors running on an AMD chipset. It's an LED backlight, and each time I look at an LED monitor, I get a very distinct eye pain. It's quite sharp and concentrated, as if my eyeballs are being pinched, and it's immediate as I look at such a light source. During this brief exposure, the discomfort still remains a good 26 hours later. It's quite amazing actually, and I don't know how to explain it.


The monitor I'm fine with at work for the most part is a Dell U2410 with f.lux @ 5000K and a Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 display adapter (supposedly bad). The montior I use at home is also a Dell U2410 with f.lux @ 6500K and an nVidia graphics card (both work and home seem "equally good/bad', so in my case, the digital display itself is often the culprit).


This is a very difficult issue to solve. Too many factors.

Jul 17, 2015 1:54 AM in response to MagnuM396

Hello,


I bought my first macbook air 2015 model just few days ago, and I dicovered that macbook display causing me an eyestrain whitch I never had before.

I take my eyestrain problem serious, because I work as IT administrator so iam sitting in front of computer for an very long time every day.

Since I bought new macbook, my eyestrin problem apeared. I maeade some research in displays and eyetrain topic, and I would like to ask if some foil can help

reduce or get rid of eyestrain. I found ivisor foil http://www.apple.com/shop/product/H8054ZM/A/moshi-13-ivisor-air-matte-screen-pro tector-for-macbook-air

I would like to ask if someone tryed this foil and if it helped with the eyestrain problem.

thanks for answers

Jul 20, 2015 9:11 AM in response to RMartin111

Hello


I too have eyestrain with macbook air. I believe its the intel hd graphics driver. I also have a toshiba satellite http://www.toshiba.no/laptops/satellite/l50-b/satellite-l50-b-1r1/ which causes eye strain and that uses the intel hd 4400. But when im using my old laptop http://www.toshiba.no/discontinued-products/satellite-c660d-10w/ with amd hd 4250, my eyes are relaxed and i can use screen for hours with zero eyestrain(without using flux or any glasses, antiglare coating etc. Shame its so slow. So im thinking about buying this one: http://www.siba.no/aktuelle-kampanjer/nyheter/dataprodukter/asus-x550ze-dm051h-1 21216 that comes with amd. I also got an iphone 4s that causes no eyestrain.And i wonder if anyone has tried the macbook 12 retina and tell me if its strain free?

Jul 21, 2015 6:41 AM in response to justmeyes

It could very well be Intel graphics - or the screen itself - or both. Your older Toshiba used a TFT screen with 1st-gen LED backlight. I have no problem at all with 1st-gen LED, but liked it better with older Intel graphics. The 4000,4400,4500,5000,5500 are all unpleasant. I suspect they are using FRC (tempo-spatial dithering) by default, as do the newer Radeons.


I really don't understand how manufacturers think that temporo-spatial dithering is good... it's just as bad as PWM only instead of stroboscopic effects you get snow effects... still hellish on the eyes.

Jul 21, 2015 8:04 AM in response to Gurm42

Thank you for your answer. I also have an old toshiba c600-10v http://www.notebookcheck.net/Toshiba-Satellite-C660-10V.47672.0.html and isnt that a 1st-gen LED backlight too? Beacuse I have heavy eyestrain with this and that has intel media graphic accelerator (gma) hd4500. So if its 1st-gen LED backlight it makes no sense, its gotta be the intel drivers/card? And can you turn off the temporo-spatial dithering on newer Radeons (if I should buy one)? This is so annyoing as I cant do much work on this slow machine Im using now. I hope Intel find a solution to this fast...

Jul 22, 2015 12:24 PM in response to RMartin111

This week I received a prototype of the Dasung Paperlike. It is the answer to all my prayers. I used it all day today at work without my usual sunglasses and without any discomfort whatsoever.


It's basically an e-ink monitor screen. It's still a little clunky to use, the software could use some work, but I can get everything done that I need to. I recommend that everyone buys one when it hits the market later this year

Aug 3, 2015 4:55 AM in response to t0m@s0j1mb0t

Hey

I've been following this thread also a while now. Well this problem also affects me. I've never had any problems with my eyes and vision. But one year ago I decided to buy a new notebook and after some minutes of usage a heavy eyestrain and headache started. Even if I connected the new Notebook with HDMI to an old trusted LED (Lg Flatron) monitor. If i connected my old notebook to that monitor I don't get any eyestrain or headache. I've tried out also some other new notebooks, but i got always the same heavy eyestrain and symptoms. So I went on using my 6 year old notebook, but that is'nt any option any more. I really want to find out the reason for our eyestrain. Trial and Error purchasing new notebooks doesn't work.


I've also started a thread about this here:
https://communities.intel.com/thread/53309?start=0&tstart=0


Well. I think that the problem isn't any monitor or display technology. The only mutuality all products had, that I've testet, was the intel graphics. So I'm pretty sure after some research that the problem is the graphics driver. Something changed at a certain driver, which is the reason for our problems. Sorry that I've not read every post in this thread.

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