Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

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Sep 20, 2017 3:50 AM in response to RMartin111

UPDATE::


My colleague just updated the MacBook Air from 10.12.5(came out of the box) to 10.12.6!

And eye strain occurs (a very mild one)!! But I can notice too.

Guess I'm now a self trained strain teller, I use fast read scan method

Same lighting on the test site, nothing changed environmentally.

tested for a good 3 days now, eye strain by strange subtle "flicker"!

Now it's infected!


BE WARNED,

for mid-2017 MacBook Air owners out there,

Time Machine it before update or skip it all together.

Oct 11, 2017 2:07 PM in response to Jasquith

Continued from last post


With all findings piling in this thread , no one from Apple has stepped forward (prove me wrong?) to clarify on anything, which means Apple definitely has full knowledge on this matter and/but they are sticking to their guns.


PWM is a cheap way to dim the screen, the alternatives(which do exist) is more eye freindly but more expensive to assemble, likewise by using dithering on cheaper(a lot!) panels Apple can save a lot cost, the result is higher profit, yet pricy panels that do million colors in hardware side are obviously better for eye health, guess not much appealing to shareholders on the top.


Am I right Apple.

Nov 5, 2017 8:36 AM in response to Keynode

Keynode wrote:


10. Apple should seriously consider adding PWM and Dithering checkbox to the display settings in a future update, it's not that hard to do. Night Shift is a good move, it shows Apple's concern over the health impact of excessive blue light from LED display is real. So why stop there, Apple? You have enough cash, please continue doing what's right for the customer!! This Eye Strain thing is real!


* "PWM Interface" (or PWM Programming Interface) is just a made up term, some or all of the above may be proven wrong, I'm evolving.

You continue to address Apple in this 9 year old thread. Apple still is not here. This is a user-to-user technical help community, it is not a medical advice nor Apple questioning community.


If you want to contact Apple or provide Apple feedback you can use these links:

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Mar 10, 2018 12:07 PM in response to Keynode

..Since my last response to this thread was in 2016, thought

to look in ~ as each reply here brings it back to my attention..


There may be a different percentage of users whose biology or

physiology (correct words evade me) could be more sensitive

to the effects/affects of a panel's tiny 'pixel square refresh' rates.


Just as some who may have a marginal propensity to have similar

effect at much less a degree, to tiny these flashing things... As ones

with certain kinds of epilepsy. Not all go into seizure-state due to this.


..So that's a margin not unlike casting an untested net into wider waters..😐

Mar 13, 2018 7:05 AM in response to K Shaffer

K Shaffer wrote:


..Since my last response to this thread was in 2016, thought

to look in ~ as each reply here brings it back to my attention..


There may be a different percentage of users whose biology or

physiology (correct words evade me) could be more sensitive

to the effects/affects of a panel's tiny 'pixel square refresh' rates.


Just as some who may have a marginal propensity to have similar

effect at much less a degree, to tiny these flashing things... As ones

with certain kinds of epilepsy. Not all go into seizure-state due to this.


..So that's a margin not unlike casting an untested net into wider waters..😐

Exactly!

and my thoughts on stats of MBP users reacting to flickers: The two extremes will be at the two tapered ends,

the in betweens are where the real majorities are.

in other words, more people will not consider their MBP display perfectly enjoyable, more or less

We're talking about perfectly!! 😀😀😀

Too bad the normal distribution law must be obeyed or so!! 👿

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Jun 22, 2018 6:51 AM in response to madieDee

MadieDee, after 166 pages the issue you are experiencing has not been resolved. You can post another 166 pages here and the issue will not be resolved. As said numerous times, this is a user-to-user technical help community. Apple is not here. To get Apple's attention to the issue you are experiencing you will have to contact Apple and provide feedback.

With respect to your health, I am glad you are a very healthy, strong, and powerful woman. Maybe writing 10 - 12 hours a day is starting to affect your eyes but I'm not a doctor so can not say. If it were my eyes and I was experiencing headaches I would most certainly see a doctor.

Jun 22, 2018 1:51 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

In Apple's defense, this isn't an easy problem to solve. It's a combination of preexisting neurological problems and factors with new displays/video cards, etc, that cause health problems for a small vocal minority of users.


To Bob: What can a doctor do? There aren't many treatments for the underlying neurological issue(s). Taking anti-seizure medication can have worse side effects that can be permanent (such as vision loss). I say more scientific analysis of what in the new displays/video cards, etc is causing issues and neurological research is needed.

Sep 27, 2017 10:17 PM in response to BecksBhanu2013

WOW!😀

I'm on 10.13 now and my MacBook Pro gives me the exact same eye strain!

Doesn't make any sense!

I'm done with apple? The final last straw has being reached I guess!

Next year mark your 10th anniversary of macStrain Apple, since this discussion started in 2008

My old PWM-flickered dying thinkpads are far more easier on the eyes, and they are laughing at me now.

Sep 30, 2017 1:51 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Seriously dude? I think you're kidding?😐


I would think it's more genuine for you to say maybe people like me have genes more susceptible to this strobe like thing than just give that condescending "suggestion"?


And how do you know there are millions who arent affected by this? You think everyone will come here and make a splash? Many will simply return or sale it, others might think they can just get go with it in spite of the issue or they developed their own approach to lift the stress.


Maybe you're sincere in what you're sayning, but still, you cant blame it on the eyes of the customer

Oct 6, 2017 6:12 AM in response to Keynode

FINALLY i have found someone experiencing these same issues. Let me introduce myself.


My name is Josh, I've been using a MacBook Air since 2013. Never had any problems with eyes, never any problem with the laptop, it's been fantastic.


This year i've decided to splash out £3,000 for a 1TB Macbook Pro, (top spec processor, size 13"). I had never even considered eye strain before, so I never linked this to my laptop.


However, what I was finding was that at the end of the day working on my laptop (I am self-employed running an online e-commerce business), my eyes would be hurting so much, they would look saggy and dark, whilst also sore. I originally put it down to me working too much, spending too much time in front of the computer.


I tried to view my phone/computer less, and take consistently regular breaks, but the symptoms persisted and even got worse. I would feel nauseous, fed up and bad tempered from the reoccurring symptoms.


It became that bad that I had the first eye test I think i've ever had in my life (I am now 28 years old). It came back absolutely fine, no glasses needed.


After a long weekend's rest of not using any devices, my eyes would be fine again. Through trial and improvement, 5 to 7 days later I have linked it completely down to my MacBook Pro. Nothing to do with how long I spend on my laptop at all. I am back to using my 2013 MacBook Air, 8 hours+ per day, and absolutely fine.


I have an appointment booked with Apple on Tuesday (those genius people) and honestly I expect to get told that my MacBook is fine. When i KNOW it isn't. Has anyone solved this yet?!?!?

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