Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Oct 11, 2017 9:15 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

I know that Bob!

Do you think at this point i do not already know what Apple is going to say in their official tone if I'm tempted to click on?

No offense to anyone but last time I had "rather quick" exchange with genius bar folks, big mall with that Apple vibe you know! The first two "kids" had no clue what I'm saying, they resorted to a third guy and I knew what's coming, yeah i need to take more breaks and do not look at the macbook for too long?, amazing I bought a macbook only to not look at a macbook for too long as if all my work can be finished on it at a glance. He even suggested me to drink more water? So dehydration ***** eyes dry not macbook? this is genius but hey this is your genius people.

Spending a couple of hours doing some online research and you are far, far better informed than anyone in genius bar. And dont make me stsrt on technical support line, had enough conversations with "roberts", their heart may be at the right place but not much of a help.

Nov 5, 2017 9:39 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

Geez Bob!

Why do you keep searching keyword "Apple" in my post instead of trying to understand the context?

Am I addressing Apple? Call it whatever you want.

By the way is there anything in Terms of Use that says any suggestions to Apple on this forum is strictly forbidden?

I'm just a level 1 with 8 points, you're a level 6 plus 19,481 points, you do not get there by keep going off topic asking members to contact Apple do you?

Why not contribute something that is relevant to the discussion at hand, really Bob!

Nov 6, 2017 7:49 AM in response to Keynode

Keynode wrote:


Geez Bob!

Why do you keep searching keyword "Apple" in my post instead of trying to understand the context?

Am I addressing Apple? Call it whatever you want.

By the way is there anything in Terms of Use that says any suggestions to Apple on this forum is strictly forbidden?

I'm just a level 1 with 8 points, you're a level 6 plus 19,481 points, you do not get there by keep going off topic asking members to contact Apple do you?

Why not contribute something that is relevant to the discussion at hand, really Bob!

1. I'm not searching the keyword Apple, you are directly asking a question of Apple in your posts, "So why stop there, Apple?"

2. "Am I addressing Apple?" Once again, no you are not addressing Apple here. You are posting issues and questions that can not be answered or solved by we users in this community.

3. You can post suggestions as long as you like but they may go unheard by Apple as they do not use this community for product feedback. I provided the link for submitting product feedback.

4. No, I got the points by trying to offer helpful advice. One such piece of advice is to contact Apple regarding product feedback. It is helpful to know that continuing to complain about a product in a 9 year old thread is not helpful. Advising about how to get your feedback to Apple is helpful.

5. If by "discussion at hand" you mean the current discussion, there is no current discussion. This thread is 9 years old and your tactic of keeping it alive is obviously not working. Use the advice I provided to contact Apple. It is the only way they will hear you and possibly investigate/correct your issue.

Nov 6, 2017 8:29 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

1. Again I think you took the highlighted sentence too literally and ignored the context. And like you said since this is a user to user discussion board I have yet seen any user gets confused or complains about anything in my post.


2. So now you start to put yourself in the positions of all other users out there? How can you know it can or can not be answered or solved by users collective efforts if you do not allow it to be discussed.


3. "You can post suggestions as long as you like"....SO I CAN? Thank you!


4. You surely are helpful. No offense but several pages back you suggested me to see an eye doctor! I think that speaks enough volume about your helpfulness.


5. I have no "tactic" here, I'm here merely to share my own observations on this eyestrain issue because here's the official place for such purpose, I may have some greater enthusiasm though, if that is what "gets me in trouble" I will not apologize.


6. Again it's not for you to decide for me what is helpful or not helpful, thank you for your concern anyway!

Dec 26, 2017 5:18 AM in response to david drede

Indeed!

They know what this is but like you put it, Apple are not rich for no reason, they have to keep the money rolling in in...

Also not surprised that they played dumb on the line to you.

And they even did this toiPhone X, unbelievable! They've really got some balls now, you have to give them credit for that.

As You would think a 10 year anniversary flagship should be treated seriously, or at least to be spared from the misfortune of controversial technologies like PWM or FRC(dither).

Feb 20, 2018 9:51 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Knew you gonna bob up again, it really hurts you seeing the pages grow?

Not an apple issue? Yeah we all know that answer do we?

You think Im quitting my job sitting here 24/7 posting or what?

Only took me 14 minutes to post that one!!

I'm interested, that's all!!

Actually I'm interested in a lot of things too and I do all of those things!!

It's good wasting you life on things you're interested in!

Hey it's called Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro, I'm interested, so I'm here to discuss that!!

And I will continue to say something about that!!!

Mar 7, 2018 7:20 PM in response to Keynode

Can DITHER alone bring about a massive eye strain?

I had some quick fun with dither!

what is dither?

The basics are the same, dither is like "PWM" used on colors

{Suppose} A panel does not support certain color [left] !

{Suppose} It can pull off brighter tones like [1], and a darker tone like [2].

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switch btween [1] & [2], quickly {shown here as in slow motion gif}

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that's a bad flicker!! because a leap from color [1] to color [2] secured a good oscillation amplitude, which leads to bad jigging of color.


So is dithering that bad?

maybe I just picked wrong colors to begin with!!!

In real world the panel must know better than the version of me in that test in how to sift more efficiently to avoid such a leap.


Knowing a 6 bit panel knows better than me, I can't sleep, I too must know, even that means I had to relearn some math


First I must know how colors are differentiated.

A pixel consists of 3 sub pixels ==> Red, Green, Blue!!!

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On a 8 bit panel each color has 2 ^ 8 = 256 shades, hence the value in RGB: (0, 1, 2, 3,... ... 253, 254, 255)

Every combination of an R, G, B value gives a unique color, for example, rgb(230,187,132), a light brown.

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The sum of possible 8-bit colors would be:: 256 ^ 3 = 16,777,216 (hence the number 16.7M!)

But for a 6 bit panel it only has 2 ^ 6 = 64 shades (below), that's a lot shades lacking.

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(color borders appeared!!! for lack of shades to smooth the gradients. )



Enter dither!!

Between every two bordering shades in that pic, three shades would have to be created to cram in that gap


Why three ?

Because 63 gaps in 64 shades.

63 x 3 + 64 = 253, close enough to a 8 bit's!!

it gives 253 ^ 3 = 16,194,277 color (hence the number 16.2M on dither enabled 6-bit panels)


Enough math!!! now lets "dither"!!! which will begin in next post...

Mar 10, 2018 4:51 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

👿👿👿 No apple's fault then!! No big deal!!

It makes sense the more you think abuot it

they don't make panel

they don't control LCD science

Koreans made it, Apple bought it.

Not a fault! End of story

Apple must know people have wronged them

But who will believe Apple?

And to whom should Apple complain?

SAMSUNG? LG? POTUS? GOD?

Living life of a scapegoat, Apple is tough!

Tears of injustice, they must shed in the corner

But a shining new era will come Bob!

Have faith!

We are helping Apple catch this thing!

This very thing!

It crawled into a minority of our beloved Mac

Spreading all the strain in the name of Apple

Apple, be strong!

we are in this togetherr

The storm will pass, this is the darkest hour

And stay there, thing!

Dont move a muscle!

We users are coming to G-E-T-C-H-A!!

YEEEE!

😎😎😎😎

Mar 10, 2018 6:25 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Bob you're good, you're too not easily giving up!!😁


Jokes aside

Others are right about the fact there truly ha's been critical changes in LCD technology the past decade in terms of hold drive VS impulse drive ( strobe by black insertion), and static VS dynamic backlight control ( strobe by Scanning!! call it PWM 2.0 if you will, or 3.0, it definitely advanced!! ); To understand why the issues are here to stay we must find out what has happened in the LCD world and how it's reshaping the way images being viewed. Mothers and fathers reading this should be extremely careful what your kids are exposed to now a days, their eyes are more fragile than we adults, test it yourself before you give to your children phones and pads. Apple folks may think about this too, seriously, like provide an hold mode in which all flickering parts are put to a halt.

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