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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Mar 1, 2012 9:46 AM in response to dj_rag

well this is odd...I just looked at "about this mac" in the top left corner, then "more info", then "displays" and it says "Built-in Color LCD Display"


hmmmm, LCD? I thought we were all having problems because it was LED backlit, not LCD...this is confusing me now lol!


(it also has a pic of the glossy screen mbp, and mine is the silver bezel matte version - so perhaps that's why?)


well...after looking at some PC's today, + getting used to the idea of viruses again! the thought of not using macs again was too depressing, and I reckon a mac mini will suit my needs fine, however i'm confused now - am i looking for an LED or LCD monitor to go with it!?

lol

Mar 1, 2012 10:01 AM in response to dj_rag

An LCD display can be either LED or CCFL backlit.


Take a look at NEC displays. The company has thirty CCFL displays starting at $300 MSRP; they can often be found at a discount. So far I have only found anti-glare displays from NEC. B&H Photo regularly has NEC displays at a discount. I snagged an $899 NEC for $549 in December.


You can sort displays using the type of backlighting at http://www.necdisplay.com/category/desktop-monitors.

Mar 1, 2012 10:29 AM in response to dj_rag

"...i took it to a genius bar and the apple genius did some tests on it and said it was a failed graphics card...+ prob the most expensive repair, something around £500"


dj_rag: the GPU is not a separate card in any MBP. It's soldered to the logic board, which contains most of the guts of the computer. The logic board must be replaced to replace the GPU, and that's why it's so expensive.

Mar 1, 2012 11:42 AM in response to dj_rag

You are confusing terms.


LCD is the display technology. A laptop or flat panel uses EITHER an LCD (liquid crystal) display OR an OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) display. The panels in Macbooks are all LCD. OLED is commonly used in things like MP3 players or... notably... the Retina display.


The backlight on the display, however, can be EITHER CCFL (compact fluorescent) or LED (light emitting diode). LED uses less power and lasts longer so it is coming into more common use. Both types can't really be "turned up or down", and so have to either be cycled or turned off in sections in order to dim the screen. That's where we are running into problems. The CCFL cycling seems to be less terrible by a long shot, but also uses more energy and wears out faster.

Mar 1, 2012 1:36 PM in response to Gurm42

Gurm42, perhaps you can answer a question for me: What kind of backlighting is used in OLED panels? I assume that it is LED but it seems to be different than other Apple LED displays.


I'm curious because I am in the market for another portable Mac. The rumors about the possibility of a Retina display being introduced in MacBook Pros has me waiting to see what happens...


FWIW, the display in my early 2008 pre-unibody 15" MacBook Pro, which I believe was LED, never gave me any problems. Nor do my first generation iPad and iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4S. But the 11" MacBook Air caused a headache within 15 minutes and eyestrain tha lasted for over eight hours. My early 2011 13" MBP also caused eyestrain but not as severe as the MBA.


My 24" circa-2006 2.16GHz iMac and my NEC 24" WUXi2 CCFL displays are also problem-free.


What I find perplexing about all this is Apple's total silence on the matter. I assume that Apple moderators read at least some of the threads on this forum. And a thread that was begun in late 2008 and that has as many posts as this one does would surely attract attention. But as far as I know there hasn't been a peep from Apple.


One would hope that Apple would be concerned enough about this issue to contact some of the people who have posted in this thread and have their engineers looking into the problem. As a long-time Apple customer and someone who has convinced more than a few people to switch, it is disconcerting to me that Apple seems to be ignoring a serious health-related issue that is affecting a significant number of customers.


On a related note, I would love to have the opportunity to address Apple designers about the lack of basic ergonomic adjustments for iMacs and Apple displays, as well as the limited options for purchasing anti-glare displays. Currently only the 15" and 17" MacBook Pros are available with matte LCDs.

Mar 1, 2012 2:05 PM in response to MisterMojo

"What I find perplexing about all this is Apple's total silence on the matter. I assume that Apple moderators read at least some of the threads on this forum. And a thread that was begun in late 2008 and that has as many posts as this one does would surely attract attention. But as far as I know there hasn't been a peep from Apple."


That's why we're having a vintage macbook party. I wonder if there are any types of film that we could use on the display to alleviate the problem.

Mar 1, 2012 3:32 PM in response to MisterMojo

What I find perplexing about all this is Apple's total silence on the matter. I assume that Apple moderators read at least some of the threads on this forum. And a thread that was begun in late 2008 and that has as many posts as this one does would surely attract attention. But as far as I know there hasn't been a peep from Apple.


One would hope that Apple would be concerned enough about this issue to contact some of the people who have posted in this thread and have their engineers looking into the problem. As a long-time Apple customer and someone who has convinced more than a few people to switch, it is disconcerting to me that Apple seems to be ignoring a serious health-related issue that is affecting a significant number of customers.


Apple notebook sales figures for 2006 through 2009, reprinted in Wikipedia, show sales of about 15.75 milliion Intel-based Mac notebooks in those first four years. Suppose only 1/3 of those, or 5.25 million, were MBPs, and suppose that not one more MBP has been sold since the end of 2009, which is far from true. Now suppose that every post in this thread came from a different headache/eyestrain sufferer (which isn't true, but let's pretend), and suppose further that for each and every one of those [currently 258] people, there were a hundred other similarly afflicted people who haven't found their way to these forums or haven't realized that their displays are what's bothering them, for a total of 25,800. If all these suppositions were true, then this acute problem that appears, if one reads only these forum posts, to be so widespread and commonplace turns out to afflict not quite 0.5% of MBP users. Even if I've underestimated the number of sufferers by a full order of magnitude, 95% of MBP users are unaffected. And that doesn't count all the unafflicted buyers from 2010, 2011 and the first sixth of 2012, but it does count the ones who are suffering and represented by posts here. This may make it a little easier to understand why Apple hasn't gone into emergency-response mode over this problem.

On a related note, I would love to have the opportunity to address Apple designers about the lack of basic ergonomic adjustments for iMacs and Apple displays, as well as the limited options for purchasing anti-glare displays. Currently only the 15" and 17" MacBook Pros are available with matte LCDs.


You do have that opportunity:


http://www.apple.com/feedback/


Pick the product you want to talk about and address away to your heart's content.

Mar 1, 2012 4:35 PM in response to MisterMojo

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Gurm42, perhaps you can answer a question for me: What kind of backlighting is used in OLED panels? I assume that it is LED but it seems to be different than other Apple LED displays.

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Well to answer your question... OLED displays actually use a grid of tiny organic LED's. They are their OWN light. There is no "backlighting", per se - or it is very limited. The panel itself provides the light output, or a great deal of it.


Now of course, OLED has the potential to suffer from similar problems to LED backlighting - in that the number of cycles per second determine the intensity... but in practice, it seems that it is far less painful to view... I'm hopeful for the retina display.

Mar 1, 2012 4:56 PM in response to Gurm42

A bit more to add about the OLED. According to this "How stuffs works" article on OLED, it states "The intensity or brightness of the light depends on the amount of electrical current applied: the more current, the brighter the light."

While sometimes the "How stuffs works" articles heavily simplifies the technical details to illustrate a concept, from what I understanded, it seems OLED doesn't require PWM in controlling the brightness. The brightness can be adjusted by simply varying the electrical current applied to the organic material.


If that's true... then that could be a way to end our eye sufferings on LED backlit displays. Really look forward to that.

Mar 1, 2012 5:25 PM in response to eww

We really have no idea how many people are suffering from the problem: it could be a small percentage or a lot of people. From what I have read here and elsewhere many people may think that they are the problem, so they visit an eye doctor or other health care professional. Or they simply endure the problem until they cannot take it any more and sell the offending Mac...


As far as contacting Apple via the feedback link... Been There, Done That. For all I know, messages sent to that and other Apple feedback addresses automatically wind up in a spam folder. I've never received a response (I didn't expect a response, but it would be a nice surprise...) nor have I ever seen a change in Apple products that lead me to believe that Apple pays them any mind.


But it does provide the illusion of being empowered, a part of the Apple Community. Yeah, right...


It sort of makes me nostalgic for the days when Apple's stock price was stuck at around $14 a share and the company still seemed to care about us diehard photography and graphic pros and the educational accounts that were keeping the company afloat. Since Apple has plunged into the consumer market and become the latest technological success story, we long-time Apple customers seemed to have been forgotten.

Mar 2, 2012 8:26 AM in response to eww

i am using 13.3 inch MBP with glossy LED display and i am suffering from the eyestrain problem for using the laptop.

Now, i want to know, whether Apple can do something on this ? Something like - putting another external screen which will give relief for my eye. Else, even i am thinking, if there is a better solution, i am prepared for paying to Apple for a permanent solution to my problem - may be changing the display from LED gloss to LCD display which will be soothing for my eye. Please inform.

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Thnaks and Regards,

scy123.

Mar 2, 2012 11:03 AM in response to scy123

SCY123:


The answer is "no". Apple does not in fact sell any displays that won't hurt your eyes. And no, they don't care. They will happily take your money, sell you a Cinema Display or Thunderbolt Display for $2500, and then be all puzzled and bewildered when you say that it ALSO hurts your eyes.


The shocking but obvious conclusion is that those of us who can't look at these displays are in a small enough minority that Apple simply doesn't care. We're hopeful that retina displays will solve our problems, but honestly I've never seen one bigger than 4" so it's hard to say.

Mar 7, 2012 7:48 PM in response to Gurm42

I found some tests someone did that might explain why your eyes hurt. I have photophobia and migraine so I am sensetive to things like fleurescent lights and different types of computer displays.


This video shows the flicker rate of different types of monitors using an osciliscope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRypg9UR0s


This video does the test with a MacBook Air:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKJhHK0bjpw


You can do your own test with an ascilliscope with photodiodes attached. For the super vast majority of people this is not that big of a problem. Photophobia is really rare so the responsible thing is to rule out other factors first. If you can find an eye doctor who is familiar with photophobia I think they can do some tests to determine if you have light sensetivity. Pulse width modulation might be the problem. It is a technique used to accurately change the brightness in displays. It was harder to control brightness accurately on lcd monitors before this technology was in widespread use. The modulation frequency is lower for LED monitors so that may be why people are having more problems with them than standard CCFL backlit lcd monitors. I am purchasing a display tested to not have this feature but the display is old and was released in 2005 so it will not have as good as a picture as the new displays.


If anyone has any information on displays that do not use this technology, feel free to contact me. I would like to find a modern display that doesn't use pulse width modulation, even if it is like $1000 or more.

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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