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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Mar 7, 2012 8:03 PM in response to MysticKatDaddy

Those are some good videos. The last one is very revealing. As far as I'm concerned, Apple has been publicly and scientifically exposed that consumers aren't lying about their experience...


I was thinking the other day that there would be an easy solution to all this: somehow rig an HDMI input and full power with 120hz refresh on a kindle DX and use it as a computer screen. Yeah, no color, but it would cause absolutely NO strain on the eyes - especially if natural light from windows was used.

I seriously think they may start considering something like a dual-screen monitor, with one layer of e-ink and another behind it of regular LCD, so you can turn one on and off depending on your situation (eg. watching videos are typing and reading text). That's the whole reason I bought my kindle in the first place: it didn't have a backlight of any kind, and I hated reading PDFs on computer screens (esp LED backlit!).

Mar 7, 2012 8:34 PM in response to scy123

scy123 wrote:


i am using 13.3 inch MBP with glossy LED display and i am suffering from the eyestrain problem for using the laptop


Take it back and get a 15" anti-glare and see how that works for you.


I'm on a 17" anti-glare for 10 or 20 hours a day, weeks at a time and have no issues, but 2 hours on a glossy screen and I've got eyestrain and headaches galore.


I've worked very hard, bribed Steve Jobs and family with flowers /chocolate to get a anti-glare screen option on Mac's and then only got it on portable Mac's of 15" and 17" sizes.


If you want to join the protest against the industry inflicting glossy displays on people, sign up here.


https://macmatte.wordpress.com/


Remember the reason LCD's were so much better than CRT's of old was because their screens were easier on the eyes, but as soon as CRT's died off, back come glossy displays because they are cheaper and have less defects (no need for the matte film) than glossy.


So it's a industry wide problem (Mac's and PC's), but pressing Apple is a good way because we pay more for our machines and thus should have a anti-glare option or easy ability wtihout having to apply a expensive, nasty looking film.


There are anti-glare options from a few computer makers like Leveno (and perhaps even Dell), but your buying a Chinese PC.


Other option is to buy a graphics artist monitor, which is usually always anti-glare.

Mar 18, 2012 4:30 AM in response to RMartin111

I'm very sensitive to backlight flicker, which is why I use Apple products. :)


My iPad first generation has none. Even though I can tell you that myself, I have checked that it is so using the method presented here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm


I really recommend this read for people suffering from this problem.


I'm planning to get an iMac 2011 when iMac 2012 comes out. I checked at the store and could find no flicker. This YouTube video shot at 240fps confirms this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnyechNOKTg


As you can see, the iMac 2011 on the right is constant at very low brightness (you can barely see it) while the Dell on the left is switching fast between on 100% and off 0% states.


It's true that some Apple products flicker, depending on generation and model, but not all. So don't give up on Apple, they're better at this than other companies I found, and check for yourself using first a waving finger at lowest brightness (see many fingers = flicker) and then to confirm a digital camera as explained in the first link above.

Mar 18, 2012 6:23 AM in response to RMartin111

"Also, let's be clear - Apple hasn't responded to this thread because they... don't care.


Apple never responds to the forums. Never. Ever. I say this unequivocally. The forums are constantly mined for problems, which are then forwarded to the Apple engineering community. I say this unequivocally. Gurm42, Apple has an online feedback form, and it would behoove you to make use of it.


Not everyone is going to be happy with a product, and that's why Apple allows you to return it for a refund, as do the various retailers and resellers.

Mar 18, 2012 8:39 AM in response to CoreLinker

Anyone tried the new iPad ("3") yet?


Specifically, has anyone who has definitely experienced the serious problems described on earlier messages tried the new iPad yet? Using the iPhone 4s and my Macbook Pro causes my eyes great discomfort, but I'm always hopeful that Apple's newer displays might somehow rectify the pulse width modulation issue, if that indeed is what lies behind this problem.


I've had a 20 min go in the Apple store and found the iPad 3 better than the 2 devices above in this respect, but am not sure if it's just wishful thinking and I'm actually kidding myself. I'd be interested to hear if any other 'sufferers' have tried the new iPad yet, and what you think.

Mar 18, 2012 12:12 PM in response to Dave Nikkel

I like the iPad 3 screen a lot in the brief time I've owned it.


Quite a bit less eye strain when reading text compared to any other display I've used. It's going to be hard to go back to anything else - I hope Apple updates their Macbooks to a display that is comparable.


The funny thing is, the iPad retina display is so good that web graphics look low res and cheap on it.

Mar 18, 2012 1:49 PM in response to RMartin111

It is very simple to test if a screen has flicker or not, as I've explained above (and as is explained in the link I posted). Is it possible some of you are having problems with something other than flicker?


From what I've seen Apple didn't have flicker with their 2011 lineup, then again maybe they haven't fully got rid of it on all models in all regions.


Please tell the model (name plus original shipping date), region and whether you have tested it for flicker and what have you found.


My European-bought iPad first generation 16GB WiFi is flicker free, and I use it every day. I returned a PWM flickering LED backlit television within a couple of days because of eye strain and headaches. I cannot stand flicker on LED and even CCFL displays. It seems impossible now to find a TV that doesn't flicker, so I said screw it and will get an LCD projector eventually. Now I will be getting an iMac because I tested it as flicker free.

Mar 18, 2012 1:58 PM in response to CoreLinker

I followed the instructions in the article provided by CoreLinker, and somewhat frustratingly my 2010 MacBook Air 13", which I can't look at, doesn't show any sign of using PWM! Including the two examples in the article, so far we have:


2009 Apple MacBook (LED) - No PWM

2008 Apple MacBook Pro (LED) - PWM at 420Hz

2010 Apple MacBook Air 13" - Korea, shipped from Shanghai - No PWM

iPad (1st gen) - No PWM


The MBA model I have was shipping with two different LCDs in it right from when it first came out, so I guess the same goes for backlights and different units may give different results.


The testing instructions are here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm

Mar 18, 2012 6:13 PM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin

Thanks for reading my post and making a list, MuDae! It's really curious, what is your reaction to other CCFL and LED displays? Are you taking any medication which could cause photophobia?


I have found another video which shows flicker free 2011 MacBook Air 13" and iMac 27" next to a flickering Dell monitor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thh3uQPPwpI

Mar 19, 2012 7:56 PM in response to RMartin111

Wow I had a mind to post that TFT Central article. I'm glad to see someone beat me to it. I wonder, does anyone know if the 27" Apple Cinema Display runs into PWM at full and or lowered brightnesses? My hopes are up after getting the impression Apple does have some insight into this considering products like the '09 MacBook. I'm in the market for anything featuring a constant light source! It's been months since I've managed using a computer with regularity. I've become highly sensitive first to CRTs and apparently to CCFLs as well. I even gave the completely amazing NEC PA30W1 a hopeful try. It's so serious I had to turn it down...


Also just a thought, if projectors use metal halide bulbs, I wonder how those fare? I can't seem to find if they exhibit strobing refresh rates.

Mar 20, 2012 3:15 AM in response to CoreLinker

Thanks for reading my post and making a list, MuDae! It's really curious, what is your reaction to other CCFL and LED displays? Are you taking any medication which could cause photophobia?


FWIW, I'm now having real problems with vision generally not just computers. It's not photophobia I don't think but palinopsia (strong negative afterimages). It all started with the months I spent hurting my eyes on the MBA, but correlation is not causality so who knows what is going on. I'm not taking any medication, legal or otherwise.


@Pixel Eater, have you tried a good monitor like the NEC PA301 using the Shades software to reduce the brightness (with the screen itself on full brightness)? That's what's keeping me going at the moment.

Mar 20, 2012 6:25 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin

It wasn't until days ago I heard about the software approach. I sure wish I'd had a chance to explore that and the pwm test on the NEC, such data is hard to come by in the wild. I can't believe if I'm understanding here and TFT Central correctly, some ccfls are capable of constant light? All this time I thought they by nature had to have refresh rates. Of course my approach with the panel was to just assume it would exhibit 200 Hz and perhaps be so different from what an 85 Hz CRT does it wouldn't affect me. That wouldn't prove to be the case, although unlike the CRT (itself a Sony FW900) I never could detect a rate by sight alone. I bookmarked shades to definitely try in the future. How much do you feel it sacrifices in terms of perhaps washing out contrast or affecting color accuracy? I would love to see it take a 350cd/m2 monitor down to 220 without seeming obvious, but that seems a tall order. By the way palinopsia is an issue I have too.

Mar 21, 2012 3:18 AM in response to CoreLinker

Thanks CoreLinker for pointing out the link for flicker testing!


I have checked a few screens, results as follows:

NEC MultiSync PA271W CCFL - 175Hz

iMac 27" LED (late 2009) - No PWM

MacBook Air 11" (2010) - No PWM


The NEC monitor is theoratically flickering, while I won't say it's perfect, at least I feel ok looking at it for a whole day work.


I felt very comfortable looking at the iMac, it has no PWM, good!


However, I have serious issues when trying to look at the MacBook Air for an extented period, and yet it has constant light too?? If I did not do any wrong with my tests, this result may rule out the entire assumption of this thread that it's PWM that's causing the eye strain!


Now I'm very confused!!

Mar 21, 2012 3:23 AM in response to Eric Leung1

For easy reference, combining the list from @MuDaeBoJongShin, the list of PWM test results are as follows:


2009 Apple MacBook (LED) - No PWM

2008 Apple MacBook Pro (LED) - PWM at 420Hz

2010 Apple MacBook Air 13" - Korea, shipped from Shanghai - No PWM

iPad (1st gen) - No PWM

NEC MultiSync PA271W CCFL - 175Hz

iMac 27" LED (late 2009) - No PWM

MacBook Air 11" (2010) - No PWM

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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