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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 12:07 PM in response to Keynode

..Since my last response to this thread was in 2016, thought

to look in ~ as each reply here brings it back to my attention..


There may be a different percentage of users whose biology or

physiology (correct words evade me) could be more sensitive

to the effects/affects of a panel's tiny 'pixel square refresh' rates.


Just as some who may have a marginal propensity to have similar

effect at much less a degree, to tiny these flashing things... As ones

with certain kinds of epilepsy. Not all go into seizure-state due to this.


..So that's a margin not unlike casting an untested net into wider waters..😐

Apr 6, 2018 7:21 AM in response to RMartin111

I've bought 2017 13inch model half a year ago - caused eyestrain, sold it. Got 2015 15inch model today - again its damaging my eyes, giving strain feeling in a few minutes of usage. I have never dealt with IPS screens before so I wonder is this just me being sensitive to LED IPS displays or something wrong with MBP models? Air models with TN displays are pretty comfortable for my eyes.

May 30, 2018 5:59 PM in response to Keynode

@Keynode


I see you have posted images of attaching Mac Mini to the e-ink display. Temporal dithering is easy to spot on e-ink display, you can see it here, notice the moving dots: dithering - YouTube


Temporal dithering is a known cause of eyestrain, I suspect the Intel Graphics dithering algorithm is affecting everyone here.


Are you able to post a video of your e-ink display? A smartphone video will do.

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Jun 2, 2018 4:20 AM in response to ryanssm

Hi! I just saw that video, I'm aware of this dot moves since day one, they're sort of like noise but it's not always happening. When they move, scroll and position the image higher or lower on the page will make it stop (a demo video is in the making), I thought it's a bug {blame Dasung}! 😐

More when I get home

Jun 2, 2018 9:17 PM in response to ryanssm

It took some very long time before we got the lighting right for the best results, if you see "noise" dancing in the video that is what it is on this monitor, live! We made sure that no amount of grain by the camera itsefl got in there alive!


click the gear icon hit 720p [MUST!]


see how the "dithering" is not continuous

e-ink test part 1: dots resume/stop moving as page scrolls - YouTube


seeing news on youtube, the dots update very quickly, hardly any room for temporal dithering to step in i'm afraid

e-ink test part 2 : video test - YouTube

Jun 22, 2018 1:48 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Bob maybe David feels frustrated because, just like me, he spent over 4000Euro on a device which is not performing as expected.

Are you telling me that when you buy a car, fasten the seatbelt on your child, hit the break, and see the child fly out of the car window due to **** making of the mega giant brand-you shut your mouth and go fishing??!!


Because ,you know, this happens- a lot. The same goes for chemical spills, drug errors, and a hundred more serious issues that are brought to light by people who bother to take a moment and talk about it! Like David.


I ended up here because I have a brand new, my first, Mac which contains all that money could buy.

I have a headache and I can't see well after just a few minutes. Thought it was just me. Go figure how ridiculous of me, my bad and not the beautiful brands who's advocates, like yourself, will diminish everything I say.



Now fisherman, I am a very healthy, strong, and powerful woman. I write 10-12 hours a day and own 3 other machines. I never had a screen problem before.

Do you recon I should see a doctor too?

I didn't think so.

Do you mind getting off this forum to let people talk about real existing issues?

Thank you.

Jun 22, 2018 1:51 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

In Apple's defense, this isn't an easy problem to solve. It's a combination of preexisting neurological problems and factors with new displays/video cards, etc, that cause health problems for a small vocal minority of users.


To Bob: What can a doctor do? There aren't many treatments for the underlying neurological issue(s). Taking anti-seizure medication can have worse side effects that can be permanent (such as vision loss). I say more scientific analysis of what in the new displays/video cards, etc is causing issues and neurological research is needed.

Jun 25, 2018 5:08 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

I came here for technical advise , particularly settings. I was surprised to see your, limit agressive, replies to a person's comments. This is 2018 some personal culture is required on the net. Your comments were not helpful in any ways, you should be careful how to talk to people there are different levels of sensitivity. If it was up to me you'd be labeled a troll. Now this was all I had to contribute.

I'm out of here.

Jun 25, 2018 8:24 AM in response to madieDee

madieDee wrote:


I came here for technical advise , particularly settings. I was surprised to see your, limit agressive, replies to a person's comments. This is 2018 some personal culture is required on the net. Your comments were not helpful in any ways, you should be careful how to talk to people there are different levels of sensitivity. If it was up to me you'd be labeled a troll. Now this was all I had to contribute.

I'm out of here.

You will find a lot of good technical advice in these communities and the volunteers try to help as much as possible. Some issues are beyond what users can help with. All you had to contribute was to call me a troll for advising that if after 166 pages this issue has not been resolved there is nothing we users can do and as a best course of action contact Apple to provide feedback, or discuss the issue with your doctor. Jeez, what more do you want?

I think a little self reflection is in order before lecturing someone on "personal culture".

Jun 29, 2018 7:00 AM in response to madieDee

No "settings" gonna work, other "workarounds" aren't recommended because, you may unwittingly trap your eyes into an irreversible sub health state.


This WWDC Apple introduced the system level dark mode(finally!!) which will remove/minimize OS whitespace, whitespace allows even bigger amplitude, the dark mode contains and has it flattened, so it should help.


You may want to visit ledstrain dot org, a lot of info! JTL is very helpful there.🙂

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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