Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

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Oct 3, 2013 12:36 AM in response to ArtechokiQ

Regarding Kindle, i used to have a Sony reader (a few years old) but a month ago i switched Kindle (not the paperwhite, the one with no lights). With Sony i had no issues, i could read for hours. But with the Kindle i get a bit dizzy and have headaches after 30 mins of reading.

Could the reason be the dithering? I read that Amazon wanted to increase the levels of grey in order to have better pictures in the Kindle.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/13/kindle-2-users-complain-of-eye-strain-mull-ov er-possible-soluti/

I returned the Kindle as i could not use it. Has anyone purchased a Kindle lately and got the same symptoms? I am really frustrated, i can only use my aging laptops (Sony and Mac) and a my CCFL Asus 21" display.

Oct 3, 2013 5:51 AM in response to Gareth Jones6

I've loosely been following this thread for a couple of years. I got eyestrain from the Apple 30" and my new 27" displays.


Went to Best Buy over the weekend and wanted to purchase the Dell u2711 but they didn't have it in stock so I had them send one to me. However, yesterday a Dell u2713hm showed up. I wasn't very pleased and didn't unbox it.


This morning I was reading up on it and found this:


"Interestingly the Dell U2713HM appears to not use PWM at all for dimming of the backlight. Even at 0% brightness there was no sign of the usual splitting of the white line that you'd expect to see in these tests. We carried out the checks at an even slower shutter speed which returned the same result. This is great news for those who are affected by flickering backlights and suffer from eye fatigue and eye strain. There are very few monitors which don't use PWM for backlight dimming although we have started to see a few more recently. The HP ZR2740w, DGM IPS-2701WPH and Samsung S27B970D springs to mind as others which do not use PWM."

courtesy: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713hm.htm


So I suppose I'll give it a shot later and see if my issues are related to PWM or not.

Oct 3, 2013 6:26 AM in response to ArtechokiQ

Perfect, you just clearly answered a question I have been asking for some time ArtechokiQ. I need to share one more thing I gleamed from Richard Conrad when I spoke with him on the phone that I will take to my next Neurologist appointment.


He asked about my EEG test and what it showed, when I said it was short and didn't seem to show much he seemed frustrated by the method and asked if they did an EEG looking for something else I cannot recall. I will try to reach out to him before my next Neurology appointment and see what I should have them look for in my EEG test. He asked how I was approved for long term disability and I replied with the diagnoses of "severe migraines and vertigo caused by fluorescent and LED lighting". He said something about a diagnoses for "flicker sensitivity" which I believe is his way of saying this is what I should have been diagnosed with. He spoke about the brains reaction to flicker as if it were a sort of seizure (Paraphrasing because I didn't record the conversation) and I think he was saying it would show up on an EEG if the tester knew what they were doing.


I have always known flicker is a big part of my issue without being able to prove it completely however others who are talking about spectrum (Blue in particular) I believe also are correct which is why this problem is so complicated.


ArtechokiQ, your inputs I think have brought this thread to a much more progressed state, If possible it would be good to get in contact with kvothand Myself.

Oct 3, 2013 6:28 AM in response to kvoth

Kvoth, one other input Richard Conrad spoke of was my past work history. He asked if I had been exposed to mold and I have. Years ago I worked for an indoor air quality company that did mold remediation, this may be a very important clue that I will bring up with my doctor. When you have time we should discuss my personal health history some more offline.

Oct 3, 2013 5:54 PM in response to Eric Leung1

Yes indeed the discomfort from latest Apple devices does indeed feel different but like I said before it still does resemble the flicker sensitivity I experience with some of the 120Hz Computer monitors that dont even use LED's like 2233Rz. It may not be that the cause is simply flickering or blue spectrum. It may be both. But then I dont know. I know that I am flicker sensitive that is for sure but then I am confused that the new apple Ipad gives me problems but the Iphone 4s doesnot! I also could not detect that the ipad uses PWM but then I read this article:


http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/10/apple-sued-for-led-lighting- found-in-ipad-3-macbook-pro.html


So go figure. There is sth weird in new apple products.

Oct 3, 2013 6:00 PM in response to Kine

Thank you kine. Please let us know how it feels with the Dell U2713HM. One thing though be careful when you buy it, check what verion it is. Note that Dell U2713H and Dell U2713HM are not the same. Dell U2713 uses dithering. Dell U2713HM deosnot which is better so make sure your model has an H at the end. Also thius monitor comes in different versions there is I believe A00, A01, A02 and A03. The A00 was reported to have an unconfortable buzzing noise to it so be careful. There wa also some back light bleeding as well that people didnot like.


Please check customers reviews from amazon;


http://www.amazon.com/Dell-U2713HM-IPS-LED-CVN85-27-Inch-LED-lit/dp/B009H0XQQY/r ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380848404&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+u2713hm

Oct 3, 2013 7:02 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

You guys study first then eventually we can get in contact. Let me know how it works with those monitors that dont use PWM. Do they help or not? We must tackle this by excluding things and also by recognizing contradictions. What we have now is following big ideas:


1: Is flicker the only cause for symptoms or not? Is there something more?


2: Is it backlight PWM or Panel itself that causes more or less symptoms?


3: How exactly does the EEG read out differ for us?


My answers and/or curiosities:


1. It is most likely flicker, but there is something really fishy with new apple products maybe they dont use PWM but the panel itself refreshes at 60hz and due to these new LEDS that flicker may be stronger in amplitude. I dont know. The blue spectrum is more energetic and has higher temperature thus it contributes to our flicker sensitivity much stronger. By the way Blue has shorter wavelength than red and therefore higher frequency then red. A blue photon transports higher energy into your eye.


2. We can test this by trying PWM free monitors and see if we experience less discomfort. We should be able to set the panel refresh rate on such monitors at minimum 75hz.


3. We should find out what exactly to look for in a EEG. I believe Jessiah1 mentioned that Richard Conrad told him what to look for but he cannot recall.


These are just suggestions!

Oct 3, 2013 7:12 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

And thank you guys you are a wonderful audience. I want to help not merely because helping you I am also helping myself but also because we owe it to humanity. We are not crazy people and this sensitivity, must be recognized because it is so bad really really bad. I wish regular folks would understand us, and these folks at Apple whose products I really like would get a chance to address this issue, if not fully at least to some degree. Healthy light after all is still the best light.


PS: Now I will take a few days break like I promised myself yesterday.

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