Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Oct 2, 2013 3:23 PM in response to kvoth

Here is a webpage of a guy testing different monitors for PWM by using a photodiode and an oscilloscope. I will try to do the same here, the webpage is in bulgarian however, just watch the videos.

http://www.retropcmania.com/2012/11/pulse-width-modulation-in-lcd.html


There is a video in there that shows him using a software which actually increases PWM on a monitor. It is called IntelPWMcontrol and works only on intel graphics cards with LED backlights. It took me a while to find this software online. And one has to be really careful when downloading sth from a website in russia.

Oct 2, 2013 4:03 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

ArtechokiQ, great inputs, thank you for the expertise.


Question:


With all of the dithering, Hz and 10 bit or whatever monitor issues how do you explain getting the same exact physical reaction to any overhead LED lighting? What is the same about these two technologies that would both cause migraines and Vertigo? Here is an example of the lighting that removed me from work, I find it to be intolerable within seconds:


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Oct 2, 2013 7:51 PM in response to Jessiah1

All light sources that derive their power from the AC main frequency are flickering one way or the other. LEDs are bad because of the depth of modulation which is worse than all otherlight sources.

LEDs react to 60Hz quickly. (Actually they will flicker at 120Hz). LED completely stops producing photons when its off. Regular lightbulb and fluorescent emit photons even if they are off.


So you can think of a LED as something that switches literally from completely black to superbright.


But a picture speaks hundred words, so I want you to look at the following article:

http://www.e3tnw.org/Documents/2011%20IES%20flicker%20paper%20poplawski-miller-F INAL.pdf


or try this which is the same:

http://www.ece.neu.edu/groups/power/lehman/Publications/Pub2011/2011_9_Lehman.pd f

Go to page 7and look at the flicker wave of a regular 60W A19 incandescent bulb, compare that wave with the wave of the "AC LED MODULE" on page 8. You can see how tall or deep the LED wave is!

From 2009 to 2010 I believe the EPA (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ) has required the LED lights to have a frequency of minimum 150Hz. But then under pressure from industry they reverted back to 120Hz. There are LED lights that are driven by higher frequencies but I guess we are the only ones who can sense that!


http://www.digikey.com/us/en/techzone/lighting/resources/articles/characterizing -and-minimizing-led-flicker.html


here is another link:

http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/134/ccfl-vs-led-screen-backlight-is-led-really-bette r/


Oct 2, 2013 8:15 PM in response to Jessiah1

I myself have no problems with Iphone 4s but with a new IPad things are really bad. Symptoms with the new Ipad are somewhat different then anything else. They feel more brutal and occur faster than anything else (within seconds) . Note they both use LEDS. I also have tried a TN panel monitor which is 120Hz namely samsung 2233rz which is actually CCFL, and the symptoms I get with the Samsung are very close to the new IPad. So I doubt our problems are specifically related to LED. They are related to all lights even incandescent. It is just that the depth of waves emmited by incandescent lights are very shallow whereas with LED they are very deep. CCFL lights are also deep but they are not that steep as LED waves. This is mostly related to flicker due to AC. (I guess we should have listened to Edison instead of listening to Tesla).But then I am also clueless with my own monitor NEC-231wmi which does not use PWM at full brightness and it has 82hz refresh rate and troubles me. All this is little more complicated than we think, at the core it is flicker. I am just tired a little of all this suffering we have to endure. It is really unbearable sometimes. There are times I wish I was born centuries ago!


Please dont think I am completely right I am prone to saying little mistakes here and there.

Oct 2, 2013 8:43 PM in response to Jessiah1

Frequency matters, and depth of (or modulation of waves) matters as well. Intensity matters.


So to wrap it up:


Incandescent

LED

CCFL

CRT


They all flicker if connected to AC. Question is at what frequency? How much is really bothering us? 60Hz, 120Hz, multiple of these?


I have no problem with newly installed lights at my work: Fluorescent at around 40000Hz

I had huge problems with Fluorescent with Magnetic ballast at around 60Hz

I had huge problems with CRT old style TV or computer monitor even if run at 120Hz

I had huge problems with LCD computer that are 60Hz with CCFL

I had some problems with LCD TV at 60Hz with CCFL

I had little problems with LCD TV at 120Hz with CCFL

I had little problems with LCD TV at 240Hz but then almost no problems when brightness is at 100%. with CCFL


However I can understand the point that Jessiah1 is making. I would get more problems if I start using the TV's as computer monitors. Then they start to bother me more. Is it a focusing problem or are we simply focusing our eyes and allowing more white light enter our eye, that I dont know.


I am not sure what Benq is doing now by introducing new computer monitors without PWM. Are they having their LED's connected to DC which would mean no flicker, that I dont know. Nevertheless the LCD panels themselves they are still oscillating. I am just curious now how much was PWM contributing to our suffering.


And for some darn reason my little iphone 4s does me no harm! Go figure.


If nothing else I ll convert my Kindle (Eink) into a monitor:

http://www.techhive.com/article/259582/how_to_use_a_kindle_dx_as_a_pc_display.ht ml


As a matter of fact there is a chinese company that will start soon making small eink readers that can be connected as computer monitors via USB.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/e-ink-monitor-and-ebook-reader-2in1-device


Anyways folks good nite and sleep tight. Sleep seems to be best remedy! Make sure you go to sleep early, use all the daylight u can!

Oct 2, 2013 9:22 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

ArtechokiQ --


Thanks for all of the posts, I appreciate all of the information. The more I learn the more I realize how complicated this area is. I really wish that professional, paid engineers were doing as much research into this as people here are.


One thing that interests me is how these issues start. ArtechokiQ, Jessiah1 and myself have all had head traumas around the time we started having issues. We can't determine if they're connected. But it would be great to be able to crowd source information to see where these things start, what the triggers are and what the solutions are.

Oct 2, 2013 9:55 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

Hi ArtechokiQ, thank you for all the information that you have provided!


One thing I would like to point out is that other than flickering, there are very likely other causes for the serious eye strain that we are experiencing.

I believe one of the other causes is highly likely related to the blue of the LEDs. (I know not everyone here agrees with me on this)


A few observations that I have made regarding the recent Apple devices:

  1. All latest Apple devices don't seem to exhibit PWM flickering. I have tried the "camera swinging" method on many Apple screens that were produced in the recent years, and I can't prove the backlight of any of them to be flickering. (that however doesn't rule out the fact that the pixels are flickering at the matrix level)
  2. Not all LED screens are uncomfortable, my first generation 27" aluminium iMac, iPad 2 (early production batch) and all my iPhones before and including the 4S (early production batch) are comfortable to my eyes.
  3. The newer devices starting from the later productions of iPad 2, later productions of iPhone 4S and iPhone 5, etc. all seems to be uncomfortable at a level of being bad to super bad. And I cannot prove any of them to have flickering backlights.
  4. It kind of feels that the latest more energy efficient LEDs are more uncomfortable to the eyes. (maybe the newer LEDs emit more blue?)
  5. I have tried using filters to filter out some of the blue light from the displays, quite a lot of them feel noticeably better with the filter on, and I could use those displays much longer than without the filters, though usually I'm not able to completely remove the discomfort.
    It appears that the screens that are not too uncomfortable to begin with works better with the filters.
  6. I have read articles saying that blue lights are harder for our eyes harder to focus. They also have a better peneration power than other colors in the visible spectrum, which makes them able to penerate much better through our cornea and hit right onto our retina. (sorry I didn't keep the links to the original articles that I read) That kind of match how I feel when I'm looking at the newer displays, especially for the iPhone 5. The light just seem to hit right onto my pain nerve even if I put the brightness to very low.


I was brought to this forum due to some pretty bad sickness from the flickering (at the matrix level, not the backlight) of my old MacBook Air, so I believe I know how that's like. However, the discomfort that comes from the latest Apple (and from many other brands too) devices are quite different, I firmly believe there is another cause for the serious eye strains other than just flickering.

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