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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by Simacca,

    Simacca Simacca Nov 7, 2013 11:07 AM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 7, 2013 11:07 AM in response to Jessiah1

    So far I have returned a retina macbook pro 13in, an iPad air, and now a Microsoft surface 2 tablet all because the screen causes tight head, tinnitus, eyestrain and nausea amongst other symptoms. This is all new to me as I love my gadgets. I am fine with my Samsung galaxy note 2, old Sony VAIO laptop, iPad 3 (pink tinted screen) and my 23in HP led monitor with matt screen. Its seems quite random and only started recently. I am thinking I have maybe developed vertigo?

     

    Would love to know the cause as I am at a point where I'm scared to buy a new LCD based gadget.

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 9, 2013 9:16 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 9, 2013 9:16 PM in response to Jessiah1

    I think I found you, I registered but no password yet. Maybe shift(again)happened.

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Nov 10, 2013 1:08 AM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 10, 2013 1:08 AM in response to ArtechokiQ

    Although I have no solution, would like to post a summary from side, it seems the color dithering didn't get much attention lately, so thought to bring it a bit back into focus...

     

    1) PWM - definetely an issue, but can be easily measured (see also prad.de or prad.de/en, backlight section for each tested monitor) and in the mean time there are many monitors without, also it seems not present on Apple devices. PWM manifests for me with pain in the eyes which goes away in a couple of hours.

     

    2) Blue light spectrum - seems an issue, for some f.lux helps. Blue light spectrum manifests for me with slight pain in the eyes which goes away in half an hour or so.

     

    3) Color dithering - although I cannot prove it, still seems the biggest problem for me. Maybe is not the dithering but it is something else originating in the graphic drivers.  This issue manifests for me with burning eyes, vertigo, difficulty to concentrate and eventually nausea, depending on the exposure time. It also may need days to go away.

     

    Following some facts which for me speak for color dithering or some other SW/driver problem:

     

         - work laptop: update from XP to Win7, problem occured, current solution is to use 16bit color depth - tried it on other computers without success, seems working only in some configurations (GPU dependent?), more over latest MacOSs and Win8/8.1 don't have the setting anymore

     

         - home computer with CCFL screen: when updating to latest nVidia drivers, problem occurs. When using latest Linux (Mint15) problem occurs (Mint14 was still OK). I did compare nouveau (nVidia) driver between the 2 kernels but there are huge differences...

     

         - tablet: I was using the first Surface RT with Win8 RT without issues. After the update to Win8.1 RT I had to sell it. Otherwise I could use only iPad1, which I gave away due to too old HW.

     

         - tv: using a plasma TV with no issues at all. However when routing the Apple TV image through the (Samsung) home cinema device, problem occurs. Also when using the Smart TV functionalities of the home cinema device. I have not tried watching a blue ray, I use the home cinema moslty just to improve the TV sound

     

         - beamer: using a DLP 120Hz beamer with a Sony blue ray player with no issues.

     

         - e-reader: using a Kindle Paperwhite with no issues. I do feel a slight burning eyes after some hours of reading, but it goes immediately away after stop reading.

     

         - lately I tried the new Vaio Pro 13 (triluminous display), it was OK for the first week (really!) then a firmware update came and I had to return it.

     

         - also I put some hope in the IGZO thing, mostly due to 10bit capability and hoping that due to panel self refresh capability, the graphic card would disable temporal dithering. I have bought the new Dell XPS 15 but problem occurs. It may be graphic card drivers are still not aware of the IGZO panel capabilities, battery life is very poor as well (no panel self refresh?) instead of the advertised 11 hours, it seems only 3 to 4 hours.

    (as a side note, the Dell XPS 15 does PWM below 40% brightness)

     

         - I have also lately spent some time in the Apple store with the new MBR 13 and the iPad Air. They seem better than previous versions, but would need to have them at home to tell more... The MBA 13 seems as bad as before.

     

    Stefan

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 10, 2013 7:21 PM in response to StefanD13
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    Nov 10, 2013 7:21 PM in response to StefanD13

    Dear Stefan can you tell me which DLP beamer are you using?

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Nov 10, 2013 10:35 PM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 10, 2013 10:35 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

    Hello ArtechokiQ,

    Sure, it is the eMachines v700, which is supposed to be same as the Acer H5360BD (eMachines is supposed to be the "cheap" brand of Acer).

    I suppose any 3D (120Hz) capable DLP would be OK. I have not yet used the beamer in 3D mode...

     

    Stefan

  • by Scott98981,

    Scott98981 Scott98981 Nov 11, 2013 2:24 PM in response to StefanD13
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    Nov 11, 2013 2:24 PM in response to StefanD13

    I ended up having to return my new iPad Air. Despite being able to use my iPad 3 for at least 4 to 5 hours, developed severe symptoms after using the iPad air for more than 20 minutes. For some unclear reason I seem to be able to tolerate the MacBook Pro with retina late 2013 using for extended periods of time. The new iPad air seems to have a much colder temperature than the previous iPad. However I don't think this is the entire explanation as I can use my iPhone 5 which also has a very cool temperature without difficulty. At this point I think the only solution is to give any new device a trial to see if it works with your eyes.

  • by Dave Nikkel,

    Dave Nikkel Dave Nikkel Nov 11, 2013 7:53 PM in response to Scott98981
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    Nov 11, 2013 7:53 PM in response to Scott98981

    Scott98981, did you try the 13 or 15 inch late 2013 MBP?

  • by Scott98981,

    Scott98981 Scott98981 Nov 12, 2013 11:46 AM in response to Dave Nikkel
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    Nov 12, 2013 11:46 AM in response to Dave Nikkel

    13". LG screen. It works very well for me which is a great thing because I have been without a new computer for a long time due of LED induced eye strain.

  • by d1a,

    d1a d1a Nov 14, 2013 9:46 PM in response to mvanier
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    Nov 14, 2013 9:46 PM in response to mvanier

    I'm on a powerbook G4 dinosaur with CCFL LCD Matte screen and within minutes my eyes get really sore and red and I get headaches too. I jumped on my bro's mid 2011 iMac and had no problem after 6 hours usage, but I did have difficulty sleeping that night (LED exposure maybe?). I'm confused what to do cause I want to buy a new computer... I think CCFL is also not good for me? Any suggestions?

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 16, 2013 6:05 PM in response to StefanD13
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    Nov 16, 2013 6:05 PM in response to StefanD13

    Thanks Stefan.

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 16, 2013 6:07 PM in response to Eric Leung1
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    Nov 16, 2013 6:07 PM in response to Eric Leung1

    Do you know anything about this one:

     

    Eizo FORIS FG2421:

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_fg2421.htm

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 16, 2013 6:36 PM in response to ArtechokiQ
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  • by razureus,

    razureus razureus Nov 18, 2013 1:08 PM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 18, 2013 1:08 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

    Many of you would like to try what i did.

    I changed the resolution in my MBA to 1024x640 to make everything bigger. I don't strain my eyes on the small text that MBA delivers natively.

    The trick is, I did it using HiDPI, so basically I got retina-like quality, everything sharp as it should be.

    Try the same. Maybe it will work in your case.

    I totally don't get this crazy persue to deliver the highest resolution possible. There is a point where everything becomes too small to look at for extended period of time.

     

    Cheers

  • by Give_me_a_break,

    Give_me_a_break Give_me_a_break Nov 18, 2013 3:47 PM in response to dmendel
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    Nov 18, 2013 3:47 PM in response to dmendel

    I have exactly the same issue with a 27" iMac. I bought mine a few months ago and was wondering from the start why I always felt dazed looking at the screen. However, since I never used it for more than an hour, I didn't worry too much. A few days ago I started to use it for longer periods (6-7 hours) and now suffer from severe eye strain and I feel like I have been drugged.

     

    I have noticed that I involuntarily open my eyes wider than normal and that my forehead tenses up when looking at the screen (I have no such issues with a 11" MacBook Air or an older Sony Vaio all-in-one). One reason could be that the display does not render fonts really sharp (it always looks like there is some faint double-image present), but I also have the impression that the backlighting is to blame.

     

    I had installed f.lux from the start and I have now played around with the brightness level of the screen, but to no avail. My iMac is a fully specced out machine that cost USD 3,500 and which I cannot return anymore since the two week return period has long passed. Thanks, Apple, for building such premium products!

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