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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Dec 12, 2013 7:12 AM in response to ElleAle
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    Dec 12, 2013 7:12 AM in response to ElleAle

    ElleAle, you bring up an interesting point, some people are sensitive to EMF and are having similar reactions but for a different reason. I believe we also have some people here who are experiencing eye strain causing headaches and some who are experiencing severe instant reactions causing intolerable migraines like myself. Anyone who is using any new LED screen in this forum for even 5 minutes without issue has soooooo much milder of an issue than I do personally. Here is a link about EMF and subliminal flicker you may find interesting, look through the articles link on this PHD's website to find the info I am referencing, his BIO is informative as well.

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    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Dec 12, 2013 7:13 AM in response to Jessiah1
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  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Dec 12, 2013 2:43 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Dec 12, 2013 2:43 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Has anyone tried turning on the Grayscale accessibility feature of OSX?

     

    I was (uncharistaristically) using my laptop this morning and felt terrible, as normal, after an hour or two. I then decided to try turning on grayscale (in system preferences, accessibility). I'm feeling OK right now. Could be a coincidence?

     

    Anyone else want to give it a shot and report back how they feel?

  • by ElleAle,

    ElleAle ElleAle Dec 12, 2013 3:59 PM in response to d1a
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    Dec 12, 2013 3:59 PM in response to d1a

    Hi d1a

     

    which specific Dell monitor are you using? thank you

  • by ElleAle,

    ElleAle ElleAle Dec 12, 2013 4:07 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Dec 12, 2013 4:07 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Thank you Jessiah1, I am checking it out

  • by mvanier,

    mvanier mvanier Dec 12, 2013 4:20 PM in response to kvoth
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    Dec 12, 2013 4:20 PM in response to kvoth

    I did.  It helps a bit but by no means solves the problem.  I'm curious about the high-contrast mode.  That should (in theory) do better but I suspect it will again do very little.

  • by ElleAle,

    ElleAle ElleAle Dec 12, 2013 4:36 PM in response to kvoth
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    Dec 12, 2013 4:36 PM in response to kvoth

    Kvoth, re grayscale:

     

    i tried that also for a couple of hours. It does seem to make things better. My eyes were very strained when I started but as the time went on they started relaxing more and more.  I will keep playing with this. Because as some people have noted before, it sometimes takes several hours and even couple days for me for the eyestrain to go away after I stop using the device that was stressing out the eyes. 

  • by d1a,

    d1a d1a Dec 12, 2013 7:43 PM in response to ElleAle
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    ElleAle & mvanier,

     

    It's a Dell E207WFPc with a Dell Studio Hybrid 140g running Windows7. I'm thinking to get the latest mac mini and using this monitor to see how it is, it was not good with mac mini 2006 though.

     

    I have other strong reactions to WiFi; dizziness, head preasure, lethargy, confusion...

    Even when I'm not on a computer, that's just from being in the vicinity of a WiFi enabled modem.

     

    Lucky for me I have an understanding boss and our work place is WiFi free. There is also interesting research on WiFi - http://www.wifi-in-schools-australia.org/

  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Dec 12, 2013 8:28 PM in response to ElleAle
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    Dec 12, 2013 8:28 PM in response to ElleAle

    ElleAle --

     

    Awesome news! It worked for me for the rest of the day. I'll continue to test it. Check back in a couple of days and let us know if it's still working.

     

    Jessiah, mvanier -- does grayscale work for you guys?

  • by mvanier,

    mvanier mvanier Dec 12, 2013 9:02 PM in response to kvoth
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    Dec 12, 2013 9:02 PM in response to kvoth

    Kvoth, grayscale definitely does _not_ work for me.  It does make the pain a bit more bearable, but it doesn't change the fundamental problem, which is a flickering display.

  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Dec 12, 2013 10:20 PM in response to mvanier
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    Dec 12, 2013 10:20 PM in response to mvanier

    Manvier --

     

    Have you tried it for an extended period of time? My theory is that it should reduce flicker, due to very little (if any?) dithering.

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Dec 12, 2013 11:25 PM in response to kvoth
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    Dec 12, 2013 11:25 PM in response to kvoth

    Re: grayscale

     

    There is no guarantee, it may be the used gray colors are still not "primary" colors so the GPU and/or the display will still do dithering for more or less of them.

     

    I was thinking also that using no color calibration on both GPU and display should turn-off dithering as well, as long as the display is able to do at least 8-bit per color, but I have no idea how to reliably setup this.

     

    In the mean time my (lossless) frame grabber is on the way, if all works as I imagine, by checking a recorded image I should be able to tell at least which colors are not dithered.

     

    I actually think that there may be dithering algorithms that are OK, but for some combinations the brain recognize a kind of pattern with suggests that the object is moving, so the focus is distorted and the eye needs to refocus at a 60hz rate.

  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Dec 13, 2013 8:38 AM in response to StefanD13
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    Dec 13, 2013 8:38 AM in response to StefanD13

    StefanD13 ---

     

    I agree, it's still possible dithering is happening, but much less likely. It's much more likely that the display is capable of displaying them. Just because there really don't appear to be that many shades.

     

    Hey, so you should get in contact directly with me once you get that working. I'll send you over the kernel extension that is supposed to disable dithering on OSX.

     

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  • by digisup,

    digisup digisup Dec 15, 2013 2:10 PM in response to Eric Leung1
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    Dec 15, 2013 2:10 PM in response to Eric Leung1

    @Eric Leung1

     

    Hi Eric,

     

    any chance you still have that green on black color profile? I have tried to set it up myself but I can't get it to work when switching to the inverted mode.

     

    Thanks in advance

     

    Job

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Dec 17, 2013 5:04 AM in response to kvoth
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    Dec 17, 2013 5:04 AM in response to kvoth

    So, I have done now the first tests with the frame grabber, and they are negative.

    All recorded frames (one frame, one BMP file) on the DVI output are same (even when doing binary diffs on the BMPs), even in the configurations where I get eye strain (e.g. Linux with nouveau drivers).

    When using VGA output there are always slight differences between the frames, probably due to DAC, however seems not related to the eye strain since with that configuration I get no eye strain...

     

     

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