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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by tight_eye,

    tight_eye tight_eye Feb 28, 2014 10:57 AM in response to tfouto
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    Feb 28, 2014 10:57 AM in response to tfouto

    True and I don't know why. Maybe the triluminos display can handle high contrast better and more eye friendly. Of course everything speculation.

  • by wimpytron,

    wimpytron wimpytron Feb 28, 2014 1:09 PM in response to tight_eye
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:09 PM in response to tight_eye

    i just bought the multi flip 13a and it is awesome! the 15 inch model was a bit too big and not practical to use as a tablet. and by taking the 13a model with only intel graphics i was sure that the screen and driver are exactly the same as the vaio pro 13.... finally a tablet and laptop with touchscreen that does not hurt my eyes (even powered on with current).

     

    thank you SONY                

     

    and now i will contact sony to ask if they can give a hint or tip for the root cause of this eye-issue. tbc

  • by Exandas,

    Exandas Exandas Mar 1, 2014 2:14 AM in response to wimpytron
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    Mar 1, 2014 2:14 AM in response to wimpytron

    A collegue of  mine allowed me yesterday to work with her Sony Multi Flip 13A (Triluminus/Intel). I worked for around 4 hours in the evening doing my regular job.

    My experience is as follows:

    • on battery the device seems to be easy on the eyes, almost like using the old good ccfl laptops
    • plugged-in the device seemed to be a bit more aggressive to my eyes. A hour of work caused me a bit of a discomfort, BUT nonthing like the Macs or any other led display mentioned in the forum i.e. no burning eyes or headaches, just a mild discomfort that i can say went away after 20 mins of rest.

    All in all, i conclude based on my 4 hour experience that if someone needs a new device desperately and cannot wait for future developements, i would say that it is a device we could use, maybe with rests between use especially when plugged in.

     

    For Apple fans, I dont like Win 8 at all, i found it a bit confusing in the way it is structured. I wish Apple could construct a similar device. 

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 1, 2014 4:33 AM in response to Exandas
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    Mar 1, 2014 4:33 AM in response to Exandas

    That would be great if Apple would use a technology similar to trillominus display used by Sony.

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Mar 1, 2014 12:44 PM in response to tfouto
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    Mar 1, 2014 12:44 PM in response to tfouto

    Ok, I went to Best Buy and viewed a 14inch Trimulous display for a solid 5-10 minutes and I can say it was greatly better than most any other LED back lit device I have been exposed to. I believe with my anti-glare coating at home it may be tolerable for periods of time but I am not certain. I will be purchasing the 13A model soon and will trial it for the 15 day return period. The manager of the PC area was actually very supportive in helping me understand the display on the floor was the same as the 13A model and had no issue with a 100% refund within 15 days should I order the 13A.

     

    By comparison with what I have read and heard from people here and on my web site I believe I am one of the most sensitive to LED light so I can set the bar pretty well for how effective the display is.

     

    As for understanding why it is effective I cannot give a scientific reason however here is my theory based upon reading about the Trimulous technology:

     

    Using quantum dot technology the screen is "filtering" out harmful blue light spectrum, it essentially uses the opposite wavelength to cancel out the harmful blue light according to the computer tech I was speaking with at the store. I do not completely understand the latter part of this statement on wavelength however it makes sense that Sony has found certain blue wavelengths in the LED spectrum that are causing color rendering issues, in order to improve color accuracy they may have knowingly or unknowingly created a healthier display.

     

    This is my opinion and obviously not science based facts. I will say regardless of the reason, the display has a much better appearance to me and feels much cleaner than anything else out there I have tried! Very exciting, I will report back after some serious usage in my home, with and without anti-glare glasses, testing results coming soon!

     

     

    Jesse

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Mar 1, 2014 12:47 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Mar 1, 2014 12:47 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Also, for clarity, the one I used was plugged in. I am curious about dimming effect and plugged Vs. not plugged in so I will test all of these options.

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 1, 2014 3:02 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Mar 1, 2014 3:02 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Based on good reviews on Sony triluminos displays, i will check Sony Xperia Z2 when it's out.

     

    http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-z2/features/#Display

     

    http://m.pocketnow.com/2014/02/28/xperia-z2-display-quality?utm_source=dlvr.it&u tm_medium=twitter

     

    I need a phone now. If i needed a latpop i would jump to Sony Vaio. At least until Apple replicates Sony tech...

    I cant look to my htc one for 5 minutes...

     

    I am glad, it seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel to us, LED's eye suffers... Jessiah1, yes you are one of the most accute suffers. I really hope you can handle this device fine.

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Mar 2, 2014 12:17 AM in response to tfouto
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    Mar 2, 2014 12:17 AM in response to tfouto

    I have no big hopes on the Z2, I have already tried the Z1 with kind of same result as with the plugged in Vaio Pro 13 (OK for some time).

    I still stick to my theory that the GPU driver plays some role as well and it seems that all Qualcomm phones/tablets are bad for my eyes. However the Z1 was better than any other Qualcomm devices I have tested, so thumb up for Sony Triluminos, too bad that Sony sold the Vaio .

    Somebody here said HTC OneX and Galaxy Tab 3 are OK. They both don't use Qualcomm. On the other side iPads/iPhones also not using Qualcomm as well and still not good...

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 2, 2014 4:14 AM in response to StefanD13
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    Mar 2, 2014 4:14 AM in response to StefanD13

    well the Z2 has white balance correction.

     

    Flux helps me alot, so if i put white balance to the red side i think it might help me and find Z2 usefull...

     

    I really dont think it's gpu drivers at least on my case. But i dont think the cause is the same for all of us.

    As i said Htc one, first display, fine if brightness not too high. Replaced by others and bad even if brightness to low...

     

    what i think intel drivers with power off do on Vaio is lower the brightntess yet a level acceptable to our eyes, or reduce the contrast...

     

    Neverthless if Z2 is better then other phones i guess i can look at it more time then other phones. So it's a no loose situation.

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 2, 2014 6:20 AM in response to tfouto
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    Mar 2, 2014 6:20 AM in response to tfouto

    Also, Z2 has better/advanced display technology then Z1.

     

    Has a wider color gamut, and i think that triluminos tech is more advanced.

     

    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-Z2-versus-Sony-Xperia-Z1Z1S-display-c omparison_id53142

     

    At least i hope so...

     

    About HTC Onex. I think it's because it's older technology. Maybe tight_eye is right and contrast has something to do it with. Contrast and blue-light combined.

     

    New displays are more and more brighter, contrasty, etc... That with blue-light might do the difference....

  • by tight_eye,

    tight_eye tight_eye Mar 2, 2014 11:59 AM in response to tfouto
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    Mar 2, 2014 11:59 AM in response to tfouto

    I'm indeed pretty sure it's contrast. Brightness is not an issue as well as PWM (I tried shades with 100% brightness and it does not make any difference). First my eyes get not strained by an intensely flickering TV.

    Second my old Vaio Notebook exhibits Flickr recognizeable by my smartphone and it does not bother me.

     

    The only real difference seems to be the way whites and blacks are displayed.

     

    So for me there are just two factors:

     

    - contrast

    - light spectrum

     

    I feel it that it is contrast, it's just the whites are too white, they disturb our eyes from

    reading what is too black.

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 2, 2014 1:37 PM in response to tight_eye
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    Mar 2, 2014 1:37 PM in response to tight_eye

    to me just staring at a white screen is the worst. No need of black contrast.

     

    Pure white. And the more brighter the worst...

  • by StefanD13,

    StefanD13 StefanD13 Mar 2, 2014 1:52 PM in response to tight_eye
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    Mar 2, 2014 1:52 PM in response to tight_eye

    @tight_eye: for some devices I can still measure PWM even though at 100%. My wife's Galaxy Note 2 is like this.

    Has your old Vaio maybe a CCFL backlight? Since I can tolerate much better CCFL PWM than LED/AMOLED PWM

  • by tight_eye,

    tight_eye tight_eye Mar 2, 2014 2:10 PM in response to StefanD13
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    Mar 2, 2014 2:10 PM in response to StefanD13

    I know PWM can be measured at 100% brightness but it should dramatically decrease and at least I don't recognize any difference. I can confirm that whites are the worst for me, too. They are killing my eyes.

     

    To answer the question: No, my Vaio has just a cheap TN-Panel, I can look at it the whole day. As I already mentioned it has significant less contrast than modern devices, 170:1. Whites don't disturb, they look flat and not straining, just pleasing as reading a book.

  • by tfouto,

    tfouto tfouto Mar 3, 2014 2:51 PM in response to tight_eye
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    Mar 3, 2014 2:51 PM in response to tight_eye

    http://www.rle.mit.edu/excitonics/documents/QD-LED%20Review%20-%20Supran%20-%20M RS%20Bulletin%202013.pdf

     

    "

    For this reason,

    QDs have already begun to fi nd commercial applications as

    optically excited color enhancers: Sony’s 2013 line of Triluminos

    liquid crystal display (LCD) televisions ( Figure 1b , inset) use

    edge-mounted red and green QDs from QD Vision to optically

    down-convert some of the television’s blue LED backlight

    (absorbing some of the blue light and re-emitting it as red

    and green light)—optimizing its color balance so that it ful-

    fi lls >100% of the National Television System Committee

    (NTSC) television color gamut standard (the color space for

    broadcast video defi ned by the NTSC in 1953), compared with

    ∼ 70% for conventional LCD screens ( Figure 1b ). 9 , 10 The result

    is a television picture with color quality comparable to that of

    organic LED (OLED) screens, but achieved at the cost of an

    LCD display.

    "

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