Screen resolution problems - Keynote to iMovie HD to Quicktime to DVD

Last week quicktimekirk led me through this problem successfully (thanks Kirk!). But after having to take off about 10 days to focus on other priorities, I'm having problems duplicating last week's successful step by step procedure. Outlined below are the steps I'm using, starting with the Keynote file exort to QT (which look awesome played in QT).

1. Open inspector/document and choose:
Presentation - normal
Slide size - 1920x1080

2. File/export:
Self playing movie
Slide duration 5
Build duration 2
Custom:
Video - Full size (1920x1080)
Select include transparency
Settings:
Compression type: AIC
Frame rate: 24
Compressor:HDV720

CHECK THE FOLLOWING:
Video compressor: H264
Video size:1920x1080
FPS - 24

After all this, when I try to import the QT file into iMovie, I get an error message that says the file wasn't imported; unknown error. Can someone give me a clue? Maybe Kirk?

Mac G4, Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on Aug 27, 2008 9:22 AM

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Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM in response to SCShisler

.. hmm, Kirk still busy ... I'll try to comment:
24 fps is 'exotic' for iMove and esp iDVD, which is for TV delivery... 25/PAL or 29.97/NTSC are the correct settings...

2nd, when choosing 1080 as size, why compress to smaller 720? keep it the original size... if that is the original screen grabbing res.

3rd: did Kirk's advice include 'transparency' ...?

Aug 27, 2008 3:08 PM in response to Karsten Schlüter

Thanks for responding Karsten. I see your point with HDV720 vs. HDV1080. I've actually tried every different exporting scenario that is offered with keynote, quicktime, and iMovie just the same, and am still missing something somewhere along the line.

Kirk did have me make sure to check "include transparency" when exporting from keynote, so I am doing that.

I've tried to compare the specs & settings from the successful files that I was able to create with Kirk a week ago, to the unsuccessful ones that I've created this week. Even when the settings appear to be identical, this week's image clarity is far worse once the final QT presentation is played.

This self running QT movie will ultimately be viewed by a number of attorneys who most likely have PC equipment. I want to be able to send a marketing packet with a dvd of the movie, and I also want to be able to send the movie as an attachment to an email letter.

Aug 27, 2008 8:47 PM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Hi Kirk. It's a relief to find you again! Actually, I scoured the directions you wrote in that last discussion. I've spent the entire week so far trying all the different compression settings starting with the Keynote files. I'm exporting them successfully (with super resolution) now to QT with the following settings:

Control: Interactive Slide Show
Include Transparency checked
Formats: Custom
Video: Full size - 1920x1080 pixels
Audio: No audio
NEXT......
Compression: H264
Frame Rate: 30
Key Frame Rate: 24
EXPORT....
Data Rate: Automatic
Compressor/Quality: Best

When I try to import the new, perfectly clear QT file to iMovie, I get an error message saying "The file could not be imported: Unknown Error".

What the heck is happening? I went out and bought the Missing Manual for iMovie '08 and even after studying this compression chapter, I'm getting nothing more.

Can you help?

Aug 27, 2008 9:16 PM in response to SCShisler

Sorry.
As I stated in my first reply iMovie is not the right tool to use for your project.
Start to finish you should stick with the one application that works best with your file. Made in Keynote and exported to QuickTime format (using supported audio and video codecs).
iMovie doesn't like the Animation (Video) codec used by Keynote. Don't use it in your workflow.

Aug 30, 2008 6:09 AM in response to SCShisler

Rarely am I able to solve my own problems, regardless of how much effort. But I did figure this one out, simply by trial and error. *To recap... I have created a sample slide show to use as a test run through Keynote (to get the best builds and transitions), to Quicktime Pro, into iMovie (to marry the features of iMovie with the Keynote slides) then back to Quicktime Pro as a final product.* It was a crash course with all 3 applications, so a huge learning curve for me.

Quicktime Kirk helped me successfully with my first go round with this. But with so many nested compression windows and so many combinations of choices, I eventually forgot which settings had worked correctly to give me the quality resolution that I had achieved the first time.

So I posted several messages asking for some clue where I was going wrong. Kirk did get back to me, but told me that I needed to create my project entirely without iMovie. Very frustrating because I knew I had done it before with iMovie.

After literally hours of analyzing all the working files and duplicating the exact settings I used before, two scenarios were happening. One, the end product had terrible resolution quality (not even close to the first time around). *Or two, when trying to import the first Quicktime file created from Keynote into iMovie, there was an error message saying that the file could not be imported*.

So, I eventually decided to try the following:

*1. Create Keynote file*
*2. Export to QT with "Full Quality/Large" setting checked, and "Include Transparency" checked.*
*3. Open QT file to check quality. If acceptable, export this QT file as a QT file again using the highest quality settings - preferably ones that match the first export from Keynote to QT.*
*4. Open iMovie file and import this new QT file.*
*5. Do my thing with it.*
*6. Export (Share) iMovie file as a final QT file with "Full Quality" setting checked in the first pop-up compression window.*

This sequence proved to be successful with the same high quality resolution as the very first go round with it. I KNOW, though, that this wasn't the sequence I used the first time because I didn't do step 3.

I am just happy that I got what I needed. Now I can create my full presentation without worrying about the outcome in the end.

*Because I'm on a Mac, and the AIC default is used, my next feat is going to be identifying codec settings that are going to work both on Mac and PC (newer machines AND older machines).*

*So, does anyone have a clue how to do this?*

Aug 30, 2008 6:48 AM in response to SCShisler

"Step 3." is where I disagree with the workflow.
You never want to "compress" already compressed video. This adds unneeded compression and is redundant.
Keynote relies on QuickTime components to do its work. So does iMovie. And iMovie 7 is a different animal than any previous version (should have had a different name).
You should post a workflow question in the Keynote Discussions pages for better answers than mine and review other threads there for some clues.
Your last question is now the most important and the answer is simple. Use H.264 Video codec and AAC audio if the viewing machine can install QuickTime version 7.
If they can't install version 7 you're stuck with using MPEG-4 Video codec and AAC audio.

Aug 30, 2008 7:11 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Hi Kirk! Actually, I posted there a few days ago and never got any response. I also scoured the existing posts and found nothing. The most frustrating part was that I couldn't duplicate the sequence like I had done to begin with. And knowing that it COULD be done, I became obsessed about doing it again.

I understand what you're saying about compressing more than once. But if the keynote file is very high res to begin with, and compressing twice is the only way to get the QT file into iMovie (remember, I kept getting error messages and was unable to get it into iMovie), then it would seem OK to do it twice. Particularly when the image quality totally holds up in the final product.

Is there something I'm missing in my logic?

OK - now about the Mac-PC thing. I actually did use the H.264 codec whenever there was the choice to do it. But when I have the final QT file closed and click to get the specs on it, curiously it says it's AIC. What's up with that?

Aug 30, 2008 7:22 AM in response to SCShisler

Let's clear some more air as we try to help you.
Your profile suggests a G4 machine (can't even install iMovie 7). Is your profile out of date? What version of iMovie are you using?
AIC is the Apple Intermediate Codec. It is an editing "bridge" for some HD content (MPEG-2 in iMovie 7 as an example). It is not intended to be a "distribution" codec.
Just got your updated post.
Now H.264 Video.

Message was edited by: QuickTimeKirk

Aug 30, 2008 7:39 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

It's a MacBook Pro. So I think my profile is outdated. I am using iMovie HD - haven't upgraded. I upgraded to QT Pro last week when you suggested that would be best though I'm not clear on whether it's QT 7 - where would I confirm that? After that upgrade, I created the first movie with the desired quality.

Next, like I had said in my latest post, I selected the H.264 codec in each application that it was available (I think it was just Keynote and iMovie only, but it may be in QT also). I selected "no audio" in Keynote and AAC sound codec in iMovie.

Again, when I click to get info on the final QT file, it still says it's AIC instead of H.264. I don't know why, but how do I change it at this point?

Aug 30, 2008 7:59 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

First off, thanks for all the time you're putting into this for me. As I said before, you can see how remedial I am with all of this. So, iMovie HD that comes with the macbook pro is actually version 6? I just figured it was identified as "HD". Duh...

So, yes - it's iMovie 6 then.
QT Pro Version 7.5.
Yes, the Keynote project is sized at 1920x1080, and when I export it, I select no audio at all because I'm doing the audio in iMovie.

Aug 30, 2008 8:08 AM in response to SCShisler

Again I'll restate my position about avoiding iMovie and doing all of the work using QuickTime Pro.
No recompression.
Fast editing.
Easy to add audio tracks.
QuickTime .mov files can have up to 99 "tracks".
Easy distribution of the final file (only QuickTime 7 required). And the option to export to "older" codecs so QuickTime 6 viewers could be included.

Aug 30, 2008 8:43 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Point taken, and perhaps I'll end up going in that direction.

Since I'm still learning and would like to get a better understanding of this stuff, can you tell me if my logic is wrong about starting with a super high res Keynote file of 1920x1080? Unless there's something else about compression functions that I'm obviously not understanding it would seem logical that despite all the recompression, the final resolution would still be decent.

Another question, and speaking of older codecs on the PC. Is it reasonable to assume that newer and older PCs would have QT7 or QT6? Or would it be safer to use that mpeg export like you mentioned before? Or maybe I would just include all viewing options by including QT6 & QT7 for them to download first.

Sorry to be so stubborn about this....

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