running a motu though a digi 003 via an optical cable

im running a motu though a digi 003 via an optical cable and it works great most of the time, but every now and again i get a spike in the signal.

is there anything that i can do about this?

any help would be greatly appreciated

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Posted on Aug 28, 2008 11:27 AM

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Aug 29, 2008 5:35 AM in response to CHIC GEEK

Are you using Digidesign core audio drivers?
...mmm
take care with this kind of drivers!

I suggest to try MOTU drivers and disconnect Digi003
just try... if possible for you

G

Sep 2, 2008 5:10 AM in response to Community User

yes i have a feeling that its something to do with putting though the 003 whats not really designed for logic

its not to easy to use the moto though as the studio mac's are not connected to the internet, so im going to have to download the moto drivers on this computer im on at the moment then move them over to see how the motu runns on its own.

hmmmmmm

this is not looking to good

let me know if you hve any other idea though

thanks

Sep 2, 2008 7:59 AM in response to Searmusic

well this could very well be the problem as i have never had to set up an optical connect before.

i have taken 2 optical cables and ran them from the top optical in/out on the motu 8pre to the oposit in/out on the digi 003

i have not changed any of the seting from there but when i change the sample rate in logic it auto changes on the frount of the motu so thought it was clocking ok. (sorry if that is just rubbish, its just what i was told)

on the motu monitor the led is @ flashing 44.1 and is on optical in x1

is this how it should be?

thanks

56

Sep 2, 2008 4:00 PM in response to CHIC GEEK

it is the motu setted as "Slave"...
you can connect your 8Pre on Mac and set motu to listen clock by adat link..

but Digi 003 can send clock via adat?

G

Sep 3, 2008 2:16 AM in response to CHIC GEEK

When you're connecting 2 digital devices via a digital audio cable you need to make sure they are running off the same clock, otherwise you will suffer from something called jitter. Jitter can manifest itself in a number of ways depending on its severity. Because both the devices you are using have good stable clocks you're not hearing it most of the time. But when their clocks do slip out of sync with each other a number of bits are getting read at the wrong value, which causes a click in your audio.

What you need to do is make both devices use the same clock. Since the 003 is the interface Logic uses I would suggest you use this as the master. You need to set the 8pre's clock source as ADAT. I've posted a screenshot below from our 2408 config. I don't know how similar they are but I hope it helps.

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I would also make sure you always turn the 003 on first as many devices will automatically revert to their internal clock if they can't read one from the source you've set. I'd double-check the clock source the first couple of times you turn everything on.

Good luck with it.

And yes fer, of course the 003 transmits clock. Any digital audio connector transmits clock inherently. Receiving devices uses a phase locked loop to sync to it. I cannot believe your original response to this post went on about drivers. If a post about 2 digitally connected devices causing clicks does not scream jitter at you then you don't know half as much as you think you do. Please stop posting advice on things you know nothing about.

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Sep 3, 2008 3:47 AM in response to Searmusic

Searmusic wrote:

And yes fer, of course the 003 transmits clock. Any digital audio connector transmits clock inherently. Receiving devices uses a phase locked loop to sync to it. I cannot believe your original response to this post went on about drivers. If a post about 2 digitally connected devices causing clicks does not scream jitter at you then you don't know half as much as you think you do. Please stop posting advice on things you know nothing about.

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I happy to know that finally Digidesign release a not beta version for Leopard
Thanks for the info

(why you want that I stop to post?)
😟

I was in a studio on June with a Digigesign hardware... end only beta driver for Leopard!

Thanks again

G

Sep 4, 2008 11:06 AM in response to Searmusic

thanks very much for this post i feel like i have learnt loads from this discussion

my problem is that the motu that i am using is in a rack what makes the back of it very had to get to and because of this i cant get the firewire connected 😟
because of this it wont let me change the settings on the mac, i will have another go tomorrow though when i get to work.

thanks for all your help

56

Sep 5, 2008 2:30 AM in response to Searmusic

hey i just mannaged to squise round the case plug the motu in via firewire so i could change its settings

i got this page up

[IMG] http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/beanthestud/motusetupoptions.png[/IMG]

i think that this is all set up right i think that i might have to give up on this one and blame it on the 003 drivers

we have 3 of them here i think im going to sell 2 of them and change them for 2 m-audio project mix.

thanks for all you help though, let me know if you think there is anything else you think i could do cheers

56

Sep 5, 2008 4:22 AM in response to CHIC GEEK

Digidesign are now claiming full Leopard support for their 003 drivers and the documentation doesn't mention anything about clicking problems, so I really don't think it's likely to be that. Although it does mention something about unsupported buffer sizes so I'd check that - see their readme. Make sure you are using the right version for your OS as well, as there are different drivers for 10.5.4 and 10.5.3. If it is a driver issue it would certainly have been noted by someone else so I'd check the DUC and see if there's any mention there. There's a couple of other things you should try too.

First check your digi core audio manager and make sure that clock is set on internal. Second, you said you cabled both optical ports when in fact you only need the connection from the octopre to the 003, so take out the other cable. Try recording using the exact same setup in PTLE and see if you get clicks there. Also try recording with the octopre off altogether and see if you get any clicks then. Finally you can try (after reconnecting the other optical lead) making the MOTU the master and the 003 the slave and see if that works any better.

If all that fails, post screenshots of your digi core audio setup and your logic audio preferences and I'll see if I can think of anything else!

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