Showing transposed key signatures in score view for band arrangement

Before you print the parts, all the instruments will play in the key of the arrangement and show that key in every staff.

Once you change the staff style to suit the instrument for printing eg you select alto sax or trumpet - then the key signature changes in that instrument to reflect the transposed part in both the Part and the Score.

I dont see what your problem is.. you will need to explain more... 🙂

fermusic, once again you are totally misunderstanding the question and providing incorrect information.

denyadog, yes, you're right that transposition (i.e., global transpose or, changing the key signature) is global. However, that's not how you go about achieving what you want. musicspirit answered your question, but maybe you don't understand the nomenclature. He said to change the _staff style_ for each part. That means you go into each part (each region) in the score editor and select a staff style that effects the proper transposition.

There are many preset staff styles to choose from. So, for instance, if you select the Horn in F style for a part, it will visually transpose the part in the score up a 5th. It will not affect playback of any mocked-up parts you wrote.

You can modify the preset staff styles to suit your needs, i.e., change the spacing above/below the staff, change notehead size, etc. You can even make copies of the staff styles and modify them for specific purposes. For example, for a specific passage you have a clarinet part that plays in the low register while the alto clarinet plays in its high register; the slur marks you added to the alto clarinet now impinge upon those low Bb clarinet notes. You can cut your Bb clarinet region and apply a specific Bb staff style (one you create or modify from the original) which provides additional space below the staff; apply it only to that particular region/passage. Then, for subsequent passages where the notes/symbols don't impinge on one another, select the regular Bb clarinet staff style and resume your 'regular' spacing between Bb and alto.

Suggest reading up on staff styles in the manual for more info.

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i think maybe the problem is WHERE you are setting the score styles from. you can set a default score style for each instrument in the arrange, but if you have already composed material in a midi region, it won't automatically change the score style for the regions you already have.

you need to set these in the score editor - top LH side of the score editor.

{quote:title=denyadog wrote:}

I like to compose in concert pitch then change the display in the score window afterwords.{quote}

That is what I like to do as well.... why dont you try this:

1 - Forget about all transpositions and just choose the key of your Arrangement. Say it is in Bb Concert then at the beginning of each fresh region just drag a Bb from the box on the left to the first midi region at bar 1 - All subsequent regions on that track will be in Bb.. Logic kind of does it for you based on the earliest region.

2- Even when you have a transposing instrument - an Alto Sax or Tenor or Trumpet, still write the part in Bb (or the Concert key you chose). Keep all your composing and arranging in this key .. or if there is a modulation then drag a new Concert key to that part of the score, check through all the parts... keep it in that key etc

3 - Once you have completed the Arrangement and are ready to print - go instrument by instrument: select the track Alto Sax - (make sure you select the whole track if there are separate regions) and open the Score Editor so the whole part is selected and displayed.

4 - Go to Staff Styles and change the instrument to Alto Sax. It will transpose the whole part including key signature - but when you play back the sequencer the whole song will still sound in concert. ( By the way this is the best time to add phrasing slurs articulation etc ie so that you see the parts in their transposed form)

5 - If you Open Score (resizing everything so it is in a suitable form to print) then all the parts will be displayed with their transpositions as you originally requested for conducting etc

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... for a specific passage you have a clarinet part that plays in the low register while the alto clarinet plays in its high register; the slur marks you added to the alto clarinet now impinge upon those low Bb clarinet notes. You can cut your Bb clarinet region and apply a specific Bb staff style (one you create or modify from the original) which provides additional space below the staff; apply it only to that particular region/passage. Then, for subsequent passages where the notes/symbols don't impinge on one another, select the regular Bb clarinet staff style and resume your 'regular' spacing between Bb and alto.{quote}

I hope to find in my xmas stocking from Apple a set of Logic quick time movies on Advanced Score Editor Procedures ... (thereafter my scores are sure to be no longer rejected by the Berlin Philharmonic)

.. but failing that if you have time to post an iSnapshot to illustrate the above I would be much obliged 🙂

!http://www.score2picture.com/logicpix/xposing.jpg!

Here's a short phrase, key of Bb, for Bb trumpet and horn (top and bottom staves, respectively). I wrote the phrase in concert pitch and afterwards I simply clicked on each staff and selected the appropriate staff style for the part. Note that the horn part is highlighted and, upper left, you'll see the staff style that's selected for it. It shouldn't be any more difficult than that.

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thanks for your fast response .. though I should have been clearer that I was curious to see an example of how you adapted a Staff Style so it that it provides additional space to prevent notes & symbols clashing... if it is easy to illustrate.. as per your description

🙂

Here's the same piece, now written for bassoon and horn, showing default spacing for bass and horn in F styles, respectively. Note the value of 70 for spacing above and below the staff (as shown in the staff style window). As you can see, at the moment there's no room to add dynamic markings for the bassoon, and the slurs are very close together:

!http://www.score2picture.com/logicpix/dspacing.jpg!

Below, the same part, now with space added to the bottom of the bassoon part, making plenty of room for markup:
!http://www.score2picture.com/logicpix/altspacing2.jpg!

aha! .. well there you go: I never ever thought of changing default spacing to accomodate phrasing and register in this way. My non-lateral mindset had it as a fixed value for the whole Part or Score.. not as a Staff Style affair. Much gratitude iS: this is more significant to me than the CERN Large Hadron Collider they switched on today in Europe

Funny you should mention CERN... I turned on my monitors this morning and heard a ground buzz that I hadn't heard before. My first thought? "Bloody CERN"...

Well, if they don't all blow us up with the **** thing, I'll forward to continuing our score editor discussions. But if they do in fact manage to implode the earth, let me say now that it's been a pleasure conversing with you on the forums, and I'll see you in the afterlife. You, me, and Rohan, hoisting a few at some cosmic bar a few miles down the road from Nebula 3768. The exact address (if I remember from my last astral projection) is The Bang and Boson, Nebula 3768, Orion Constellation, The Cosmos, H3L PM3.

😉

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The exact address (if I remember from my last astral projection) is The Bang and Boson, Nebula 3768, Orion Constellation, The Cosmos, H3L PM3.{quote}

...your memory is indeed faultless and i would be truly delighted ... but we will have to find somewhere else: Rohan and I are currently banned from that particular pub for excessive drunken carousing in a previous re-incarnation

ps just to get back on Topic: the reason why you heard interference from CERN on your monitors this morning is because you changed your Avatar which clashes with the particles. I am sure in Logic Preferences you could change back to the yellow duck, the interference will disappear

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So I changed my avatar back to the ol' duck and, well, I hate to tell you this, but the hum is still there. Might take some time for those stray muons to disperse, so I'll give it some time. Meanwhile, I want to say that I'm very proud of both you and Rohan for managing to get yourself banned from that place. Guess we'll just have to look for another watering hole, maybe this side of Neptune, a little closer to home. (I was going to say "this side of Uranus" but thought the better of it LOL!!)

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