Showing transposed key signatures in score view for band arrangement

I've looked and tried for a couple of weeks and i give up.
How do I display/print a band arrangement with the score showing transposition key signatures ;eg: flute Bb, clarinet c, asax Eb, etc? I understand how to print individual parts transposed, but I want to show the different key signatures in score when I print it.

macbook, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Sep 6, 2008 5:15 AM

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Sep 11, 2008 9:08 AM in response to denyadog

Yup, what musicspirit said...

You need to get into setting up your staff styles so that you don't have all of those unneeded rests. The parameters within each staff style will also let you set the stem direction, as well as the note attributes that musicspirit mentioned...

I don't know where you're located, but if you're going to be in the Los Angeles area in October, I'm giving a 1-day master class on Logic's score editor that might be helpful to you. (While this kind of thing has never been my motivation for posting here, per the terms of the TOU, "I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation.")

Sep 13, 2008 5:38 AM in response to iSchwartz

Even when I flip one set of stems, the notes are written with two sets of stems not exactly overlapping. As for the stack of rests, they don't go away. I've tried all suggestions-- I will now
save as midi file, export to dp fix it there and send back to logic (cause i like the sounds so much).

So, sorry appleguys, dp still works better for me for writing/recording/editing midi: logic is better for mixing/sound/audio/bouncing and the option of beautiful colors.

Too bad the feature to send the colors on arrange view to mixer view only half works. Dp wins that one.

Sep 13, 2008 6:25 AM in response to denyadog

well iS, we got banned for singing rowdy drinking songs whose subtext questioned the existence of the higgs boson. that's virtually heresy in that part of interdimensional manifestation.

in any case, a little extra OT (on topic) observation, you can quickly and easily adjust the distance between satves simply by dragging the stave end (where the clef is) downwards and upwards. bear in mind this will adjust the distance between the staves of ALL staves that have that staff style, so if you only want it to affect that stave it needs to have its own staff style.

another helpful observation is to make use of the part/score layout in global format. its very useful. so you have made your score and you need the systems to be relatively close together. but you want your parts to be have more distance between the lines. you can set that in the global layouting paramters and then choose 'part' in the instrument set.

in my view, best practice is to make an instrument set for each part with logic. very easy to do with the KC, but then you can have separate layouting for each part that does not affect the score or each other. then each of those instrument sets can be set to 'part' to give you the extra space and clarity.

Sep 13, 2008 8:18 AM in response to denyadog

Y'know, for years, astromoners on Earth puzzled at the strange little moon that orbits geosynchronously around the vastly distant, icy planet of Solon. Dubbed "Minim A437", it exhibited classic characteristics of a pulsar; yet pulsars were thought previously to be collapsed stars and not mere dead planetary satellites. But for lack of any other explanation as to why the faint glowing pulses emanating from the moon occured as a series of three equally spaced bursts of reddish light that ever-so-barely pierced the darkeness, they maintained its classification as a pulsar and laid the matter to rest.

What these terrestrial astronomers would never realize by peering into even the most powerful of their telescopes - and from such a vast distance away - was that Minim was a favored cosmic destination for the souls of composers, orchestrators, arrangers and copyists who had left this mortal coil for eternity and a pint. Yes, a pint. For the bursts of light that so perplexed the scientists were but the flashings of a neon sign which advertised this astral watering hole...

"Quaver"
"And"
"Quill"

"Quaver"
"And"
"Quill"

I've visited there on occasion myself during a few of my self-induced out of body journies, but only during a few dark times in my life when I baffled hopelessly over the complexities of notation and could not find the answers within myself (or the manual). They are very accomomodating to serve (a pint) to the troubled souls of the still-living, and the patrons are more than sympathetic to the perplexing difficulties we face as those who make their living dashing bits of black against the white page.

They have but three house rules for transient visitors such as myself: you must tip your bartender, pay careful attention to those offering advice, and, most importantly, show them a bit of gratitude. Violate any of these rules and you may only return upon your demise! So I have always been careful to abide by these axioms. There are those, however, who do not share such civilities even with their compatriots on terra firma, and thus would not be welcome at the Q&Q. I pity their poor souls, for they know not better...

Sep 13, 2008 8:44 AM in response to iSchwartz

well don't count me amongst those who do not abide by civilties. although it worth pointing out that in such a place we still have to abide by the uncertainty principle that governs all of our lives. such as, we cannot know the exact amount of beer in a pint glass (whether it is half full or half empty) unless we pay, but if insist on an exact amount of beer in the pint glass we will not know how much we will have to pay.

similaraly, scoring with logic is much the same; we cannot know the exact nature of any one bug unless we are drinking a pint of beer (whether the glass is half full or half empty) but if we are drinking a pint of beer we cannot know the nature of any one bug that may be swimming (or drowning) in the beer. the is known as 'schroedingers pint'. don't get me started on string theory.....

Sep 13, 2008 9:18 AM in response to Rohan Stevenson1

Indeed, decorum dictates that one must not gripe about an inexactitude of imperial measures when offered a pint gratis. However -- and I am in agreement -- that when one pays for a pint, wither that the head doth not froth above the rim may be just and due cause the airing of a grievance. Here, though, we have a situation where the glass, though at least half full, if not three-quarters full, has been regrettably mischaracterized as half empty, the patron parting with an exiguous though still vexing intimation that a far better beer is to had at the bar down yonder a ways.

I hear that bugs are a potent source of Vitamin K, but this is a nutrient not required for the human diet. The unncessary, if not unwitting consumption of hexapods in the more unsavory of pubs may explain why the proprietors of same profit little from the sale of hard boiled eggs, crackers, and dip. But I digress...

Sep 10, 2008 5:37 AM in response to iSchwartz

iSchwartz wrote:
fermusic, once again you are totally misunderstanding the question and >providing incorrect information.




thanks you to take note (continuously?) the number of my mistakes
I have misunderstood.... but my infos are related with misunderstanding and NOT intentionally to providing incorrect information!!

I'm sorry,

thanks for your example and interesting explanations

(anyway in Logic 7 the score section works different and better (for me) and my info comes from Logic 7 because I don't use Logic 8 for scoring)

G

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