Turn off computer while TM is backing up? Use as Start up disk?

If TM is backing up, can you shut down?

Also, I've designed a 2nd internal drive for TM, I'm backing up for the first time right now. When done, will my TM drive be bootable? Or is strictly for accessing files if they are needed?

What happens when you run out of space? Get a new drive? Archive the full drive?

Mac Pro 3.0 Quad & HP LP3065 30", Mac OS X (10.5.4), G4 Quicksilver 867 mhz 1.5 GB RAM

Posted on Oct 1, 2008 12:58 AM

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Oct 1, 2008 11:36 AM in response to Steven Shmerler

Steven,

*Interrupting A Time Machine Backup*
Just make sure your computer shuts down first, and then cut the power to the Time Machine drive. If the Time Machine disk shuts off during a backup it could cause problems later.

This KB article discusses backup interruptions related to the Time Capsule, but the information can apply to other Time Machine hard disks as well:

[http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1176]

Generally, Time Machine is smart enough to pickup where it left off when a backup is interrupted. It deals with the procedure of a normal shutdown or sleep with elegance. But if the backup process is interrupted by a system crash or some form of power interruption, then anomalies are introduced requiring TM to perform a "deep traversal". Since the average incremental backup only requires about 2 minutes, it shouldn't be that much of an inconvenience to just wait for the process to finish.

As for "stopping" a backup, either using the TM menu or clicking the little "x" icon in the TM preference pane will work and should not be considered a dangerous interruption.

*If Time Machine Backup Disk Runs Out of Space*
Are you sure Time Machine hasn’t lost track of your backups and isn’t trying to perform another full backup of your system? This is likely if Time Machine has stopped “pre-thinning” your backup drive before attempting a new backup. You can determine if this is the case by watching the backup attempt in Console.

If it is attempting to perform a new full backup, it may be possible to re-link Time Machine to the old backups again if this is the same computer that generated them to begin with.

On the other hand, your computers drive contents may very well have outgrown the capacity of the Time Machine backup disk. It may be time to purchase a larger capacity hard drive for Time Machine backups. Consider as well: Do you really need ALL that data on your primary hard disk? It sounds like you might need to Archive to a different HD anything that's is not of immediate importance.

You see, Time Machine is not designed for archiving purposes, just as a backup of your local drive(s). In the event of disaster, it can get your system back to its' current state without having to reinstall everything. But if you need LONG TERM storage, then you need another drive that is removed from your normal everyday working environment.

Does that make sense?

This KB article discusses this scenario with some suggestions including Archiving the old backups and starting fresh:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/15137.html

Hope this info is helpful.

Cheers!

Oct 4, 2008 2:17 PM in response to Glenn Carter

Thanks guys.

Here are some specifics and my emerging backup strategy: I'm migrating from a G4 on Tiger to Mac Pro on Leopard so TM is a new possibility for me. I have two 500 GB internal drives and one 320 external firewire drive. My usage is about 150 GB. My idea was to backup using TM to my 2nd internal 500 and then use SuperDuper to mirror backup my primary 500 to my external 320. I'll get a bigger external if I get close to 300 usage on my primary 500.

So with TM, I guess I can't always just shut down my computer whenever I want? To be safe, I should only shut down during an interval where TM is inactive?

From what I see, TM is usually linked to an external. Is an internal not a good idea? If I had an external 500 or TB I'd go that way, I don't so I am hoping an internal to internal backup isn't a bad strategy, lightening strikes notwithstanding.

Oct 4, 2008 3:03 PM in response to Steven Shmerler

Steven Shmerler wrote:
Thanks guys.

Here are some specifics and my emerging backup strategy: I'm migrating from a G4 on Tiger to Mac Pro on Leopard so TM is a new possibility for me. I have two 500 GB internal drives and one 320 external firewire drive. My usage is about 150 GB. My idea was to backup using TM to my 2nd internal 500 and then use SuperDuper to mirror backup my primary 500 to my external 320. I'll get a bigger external if I get close to 300 usage on my primary 500.

So with TM, I guess I can't always just shut down my computer whenever I want?

yes, you can.

To be safe, I should only shut down during an interval where TM is inactive?

it doesn't really matter. however, incremental backups usually take only a couple of minutes to complete especially if you'll be using an internal drive for TM. so you might as well let it finish.
From what I see, TM is usually linked to an external. Is an internal not a good idea? If I had an external 500 or TB I'd go that way, I don't so I am hoping an internal to internal backup isn't a bad strategy, lightening strikes notwithstanding.

TM works great on the internals. the only way I use it on my mac pros. faster than any external and less desktop clutter. externals are always mentioned simply because of all the macs only mac pro can have more than one internal.

Oct 4, 2008 6:20 PM in response to V.K.

Yes. I always have had towers. Almost went with a iMac 3.0. It's plenty of computer, but the more I thought about it, I'm such a tinkerer and I've done so many additions over the years, that not being able to add a PC card or extra drives, or more than 4 GB RAM concerned me and I didn't want a lot of clutter. Glad I did. So hi tech! How about those sliding hard drive trays!

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