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AVCHD and Apple (The Truth)

A little background. I was a PC user happily editing DV videos of friends and family for years, my PC notebook was stolen so I thought what an opportunity to get a Macbook (because everyone says video editing is faster/better/easier w/ a 2.4ghz intel 4gb of RAM it was!). Editing DV video with imovie HD, great! Now the camera starts bugging out, so it seemed logical to upgrade to an HD cam, the HF100! Now the frustration begins.

I would like to be able to make an HD movie, and either export it to a DVD via AVCHD or back to an SD card for playback on the camera. Seems you need to edit AVCHD natively to do either, which apparently Apple does not support?

To make a long story short, you can't do either! The included Pixela imagemaker software states it can import, edit and export AVCHD to either DVD or a camera, guess what? Windows only.

I thought, no problem, I'll use it via VMware Fusion and my XP pro Virtual Machine can do it. Wrong! Won't even recognize the camera.

How about calling Apple, their suggestion? Import and edit with imovie, than use the macbooks DVI output to use an HDTV as a monitor. Ok at least there is an option, but oh wait a minute the AIC files iMovie creates are HUGE. Try over 7gb for just 2 minutes of video. You can't even fit a reasonable sized project on 1 DVD, let alone a 10-30 minute one. Is it me or is this unacceptable?

Am I expecting to much from Canon, one of the best camera companies to offer something in the box to work with Apple? Is it unreasonable to expect Apple to fully support a format that has been out for almost 3 years? I thought Mac "Just Worked"?

Feel free to chime in and educate or correct me I missed something or if you know something I don't. I would be interested in knowing if any other HD cameras work or if there is some magic software for Mac I don't know about.

I would like nothing more than to be able to do these simple tasks, but it seems like either the goal of HD home movies or being a Mac user is not possible, how disappointing.

Macbook 2.4ghz, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 4gb of RAM

Posted on Nov 7, 2008 7:27 PM

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Nov 11, 2008 10:29 PM in response to biggblokk

"... I will most likely dump once FCE or iMovie can natively edit AVCHD."

Not very likely. To even play AVCHD you need a 2.66GHz QUAD Core computer. That rules out all Mac laptops and leaves the MacPro. To really edit with multiple streams you'll need a top of the line MacPro. Converting to AIC is far simpler as storage space is cheap. It takes overnight at worst.

AVCHD encoders vary in quality. The Sony codec seems to work fine -- to DVDs. Getting AVCHD to play back from a camcorder is likely to be hard to pull off as software encoders don't seem to match hardware encoders.

Nov 12, 2008 4:55 PM in response to biggblokk

Not sure if this is useful to anyone. I've been trying to work out how to get my AVCHD project from iMovie onto a DVD. Seems it's considerably easier than what I thought and what I was looking for.
Simply create the project
Export to media browser
Using Finder drag and drop the file to a blank DVD
Done!
I didn't expect this to work but my file played on a PS£ in all it's HD glory.

Nov 14, 2008 6:18 AM in response to empal400

I figured out (with the help of this and many other forums) how to play back AVCHD on my HF100.

1. Set Up - Virtual XP Pro machine via VMWare Fusion, Nero 9 Vision PC software to import AVCHD from the camera.
2. It took no time at all to import 2 minutes of AVCHD, edit, title etc.
3. Now here is the magic. Export or burn to a dvd, but burn it to a desktop folder thus creating a disc image and the all import support files in the BMVD folder.
4. So now you simply take the BMVD folder from the disc image and replace the one on your SDHC card with it. WARNING - This will delete any video clips currently on the card, I just renamed my original BMVD folder so I could leave ome clips on the came, I'll need to change it back for the camera to recognize the files.
5. Enjoy your HD movie in all it's original glory, the picture is awesome!

Some thoughts.

- I am not thrilled to resort to such trickery, my macbook can do it via a virtual machine, there is NO reason that FCE or imovie software cannot be capable at some point in time.
- I would think the same theory would work with any software (Sony Vegas, Pinnacle 11, Ulead X2) capable of burning a DVD that is AVCHD.
- This raises another question, how can I get multiple projects onto one SD Card?
-I would love to find a workflow using all Apple products with the same result, any ideas?

To be continued...

Nov 14, 2008 9:31 AM in response to A.Y.

Given that no Mac NLE can play and edit native AVCHD video, I must wonder how you can conclude as you do.

That Mac under OS X plays and edits AVCHD video that is converted to AIC. No Mac NLE, including FCE, iMovie, or FCP can play and edit native AVCHD video files. Only Premiere CS4 has that capability.

I can't get AVCHD Native files to play on a quad core MacPro using Premiere CS4.

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