UK user. Can I write my PhD thesis using Pages?

I'm a UK doctoral candidate and am wondering if Pages 09 will be suitable for my PhD. It is a literature based PhD, so in my case, no tables/graphs etc required, but will require specific formatting styles. Can Pages handle a 100,000 word doc? It will obviously be divided up into chapters but will need to be integrated at some point. Anyone tried this with recent copies of Pages recognising that, in the UK at least, Apple is not perhaps as common as it is in the US ed market.
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Posted on Feb 9, 2009 11:56 AM

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Feb 12, 2009 10:20 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Thanks for that reference link, I had lost it.


You're welcome. In scanning through the thread, I must have missed the above note yesterday. In order not to seem to side with the one or with the other, the formal situation is as follows.

Colour content is defined by the Commission internationale de l'Élairage (cie.co.at) and the properties that play a part in practical parametrisation of the intelligent colour-colourant drawing model are defined by the International Color Consortium (color.org).

The International Color Consortium defines both the practical parametrisation of the reference multidimensional colour connection space and the public indices in the file format of the intelligent colour-colourant drawing model i.e. the ICC Specification is a file format specification.

Character content is defined by the International Standards Organisation, Joint Technical Committee 1, Standing Committee 2, Working Group 2 (anubis.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/) and the properties that play a part in practical parametrisation are defined by the Unicode Consortium (unicode.org).

The Unicode Consortium defines the practical parametrisation of the reference multidimensional character connection space including the compositional properties of characters and the representation of the reference space (16-bit planes 0 to 16 with 65536 positions per plane).

Unlike the International Color Consortium, the Unicode Consortium does not define a file format specification. ISO-IEC Technical Report 15285 states on page 23 that in the Unicode model character codes are public and font-independent while glyph codes are private and font-dependent.

This excludes Adobe PostScript Type 1, but this does not exclude the composition models that followed beginning with foundation of TrueType Specification 1.0 of 1990. Thus it neither excludes Apple's additional tags nor Microsoft's additional tags.

Technically, the ICC file format and the TrueType file format (SFNT Spline Font file format) are termed tagged file formats. The term is used in the sense that it is possible to tag additional tables for non-default processing onto the default tables for basic public processing.

When non-default tables are tagged onto the default tables, applications process only the default tables and ignore the non-default tables unless those applications are primed for processing the particular non-default tables.

Microsoft Corporation has left the International Color Consortium. Apple Incorporated and Microsoft Corporation are both members of the Unicode Consortium and both support one another's additions to the default tables of the SFNT Spline Font file format in presently available products.

Formally, since the Unicode Consortium does not specify a file format, and since the two members have taken steps to support one another's additions to the default tables of the shared SFNT Spline Font file format, the free font Europa has to be available with the default tables, with Apple's additional tables and with Microsoft's additional tables.

If Apple clarifies that it intends to discontinue publishing of the TrueType Specification and processing of the Apple's additional tables, then it is politically possible to limit the free font Europa to the default tags and Microsoft's additional tags, but less Apple's additional tags. Governance in graphic information processing is by US consortia. Formalities should be preserved by the EU as customer while at the same time the EU should stand on the concept that the raw resource of information society is information which should flow unconstrained through composition models, separation mdoels, and document models.

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Feb 12, 2009 10:41 AM in response to Henrik Holmegaard

the free font Europa has to be available with the default tables, with Apple's additional tables and with Microsoft's additional tables.


That seems reasonable. Do I understand correctly that "Europa" is actually the name of the specification rather than the name of a specific font, so that all sorts of typefaces with all kinds of names which meet the specification could be called "Europa fonts"?

Has anyone made one yet to test the specification?

Feb 12, 2009 11:04 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

That seems reasonable.


Yes, given the model of governance by consortia, Project Europa should stay in the implementation space of the Unicode Consortium in order to succeed.

Do I understand correctly that "Europa" is actually the name of the specification rather than the name of a specific font


Europa is the name of the rendering specification itself and the name of the three free font families to be available with the rendering specification itself.

so that all sorts of typefaces with all kinds of names which meet the specification could be called "Europa fonts"?


Any type maker who abides by the Europa rendering specification shall be able to apply a logo such that the customer can determine what the type product can draw in simple typographic composition and in advanced typographic composition, and that it can do so non-destructively.

According to the proposal, the logo shall be available under the authority of the Commission. It then depends on CEN CDFG and EFNIL to discuss in a workshop whether or not the Unicode character-glyph model is necessary. The name of the workshop is Teaching Writing Today.

If CEN CDFG and EFNIL declare the Unicode character-glyph model to be necessary for preserving spelling, sorting and searching in information society, then the Europa rendering specification is the mechanism with which this may be implemented.

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Feb 12, 2009 11:19 AM in response to Henrik Holmegaard

Europa is the name of the rendering specification itself and the name of the three free font families to be available with the rendering specification itself.


There do seem to be a couple fonts named Europa already, like Linotype Times Europa, Monotype Europa Bold TC, and Scangraphic Europa Grotesk.
so that all sorts of typefaces with all kinds of names which meet the specification could be called "Europa fonts"?


According to the proposal, the logo shall be available under the authority of the Commission. It then depends on CEN CDFG and EFNIL to discuss in a workshop whether or not the Unicode character-glyph model is necessary. The name of the workshop is Teaching Writing Today.


Useful infoi, thanks!

Feb 12, 2009 5:43 PM in response to dwb

Getting this thread back on track as there's a hugely technical debate of little relevance and/or interest to the majority of us taking it over.

I believe that Pages 09 is a huge improvement over Pages 08, especially in the academic community where EndNote support is essential. I can't imagine using Pages as merely a text pre-processor, but everyone has their preference. I would suggest that if Pages doesn't offer you all the features you require for your hoop jumping escapade (though you should check it out as I'm sure it does the things you mention) then you should probably consider LaTeX. For me, nothing terrifies me more than the concept of putting together a 100,000 word document in Word. It barely copes with the small scale stuff I've thrown at it in the past and the attempt at an inspector is a really unfortunate failure. They should have stuck with the same interface they use on Windows; that's actually quite slick, even if it's not very Mac-like (not that Office 2008 feels very Mac-like anyway)

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Feb 12, 2009 10:11 PM in response to Stuart Mchattie

For anything that size you should use more of a straight text/word processor anyway. The graphics overhead is going to make such a long document very turgid.

Even much more capable and powerful apps such as InDesign and QuarkXpress do the job by breaking up a large document into sections and assembling it at the end of the job.

If I was to do this I'd use a simple Text Editor capable of footnoting and bookmarking such as *iText Express* (free) or *iText Pro* (US$15). Both of which I absolutely love. For research you can use hot links for your references and all manner of tricks to highlight, mark up and indicate your progress as you gather and assemble the material.

As simple and fast as they are I do 80% of my work in them and by that I mean +all my work+ including managing downloads, gathering research and media and assembling them for final layout.

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