Question about external hard drive, PS3 and Time Machine

Hey guys I recently had a close call with my HD. My imac wouldnt start-up past white screen but I took it to the genius bar and they ran disk warior and now it works. However none of my stuff was backed up so I just ordered a 1TB Lacie external HD. My question is am I able to connect the hard drive to both my IMac and then my PS3. All I want to do is to backup all of my files (movies,music, documents, and software like microsoft office and leopard) after I back that up I would like to use the HD to play my movies and music on my PS3. Is this possible? I know its possible for one or the other but not sure how to use it for both. Please advise. Thanks in advance.

imac 24" 2.4 processor, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Mar 4, 2009 8:15 AM

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Mar 4, 2009 9:23 AM in response to vin1215

I 'feel' ya. I have a old white 20" iMac, MB Pro and white macbook. The HD in my macbook just blew up. I had a Time Capsule and thought all was well. However, it turns out the the Time Machine tried to make back ups off of the mac book with the blown HD and it corrupted all of the back ups for the 1 mac, the others are OK.

Anyway, not really answering your question am I? What I like to do is to partition the external HD (FireWire 800 all the way) and use the different partitions for different uses (windows, macs, work, home, etc). This is NOT needed of course, but if you like to add and delete a lot of stuff off of there it is safer, at least the way I work. Also, I don't believe you can play moves off of the HD from the back up, I think it is just one blob. Well, that is true for back up anyway, I think a TM backup is actually a flat file system, just like your HD.

I would look at installing a media center like component on your mac that lets your PS3 see it and play media off of it. I tried a demo of one and it worked well, I could stream movies, pictures and music from my iMac to the PS3. I never ended up paying for it though since I have a TiVo and stream NetFlix.

Now if my **** new 24" iMac 3ghz, ATI 4850 would ship I would be happy!

Good luck to you.
--greg.

Oh, and START backing up! It does happen and it will happen to you!

I now back up to TC, external HD and Amazon S3! 🙂 Maybe I am over doing it though huh? It is a good feeling to have Amazon taking care of all of my pictures though.

Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM in response to gfw123

Thanks but I was under the impression you could play movies off your external HD via PS3. I have a medialink which streams my movies to my ps3 perfectly except I am running out of space on my internal HD so I thought I could download movies straight to my external HD and play them on the ps3 from there. Was I wrong about this?

Also about time machine, I do not want my Imac to be constantly backing up my system. I only want to back up a handful of documents and then some software. How do I do that without automatically backing everything up?

Mar 4, 2009 3:57 PM in response to vin1215

Time Machine will back up everything unless you tell it otherwise, this a wise thing to do. Items that don't change they are only backed up once, after the initial backup TM will only back up new or changed material. The first TM back up takes quite awhile because it is backing up the complete drive, after that backups are normally short unless there is a lot of new material. In the TM Preferences you can also tell it items you do not want backed up however you need to choose these one by one.

If you do not want hourly backups you can download a utility such as Time Machine Editor and tell it how often you want backups to occur.

A couple of items you should know TM is NOT a bootable backup system, so if your internal drive crashes you cannot boot your iMac from it directly.

Mar 4, 2009 3:58 PM in response to rkaufmann87

how would I get it to backup so it is "bootable"?? I did not know that at all.. here are my 3 main questions
1) How do I back-up my HD to what it is right now. Meaning if it fails tomorrow, I can just buy a new internal HD and run everything (movies, music software, leopard, microsoft office etc..) just like I am running it today

2) Am I able to do what I want in questions one while also making the drive compaitible with my PS3 so I can play movies?? I have media link to stream my stuff to my ps3 but I am out of room on my internal and would like to download movies/music straight to my external HD and play them on the ps3 from there. Is this possible?

3) Is it possible to not use time machine and just drag and drop what I want to my external, and if I do that does that make the files fine to run say on my girlfriends dell e1505??

Mar 4, 2009 5:28 PM in response to vin1215

Q1. You can make a bootable backup by getting one of the following applications: Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper. CCC is free and SuperDuper is about $27.00 however it is supported and the support is excellent. If your existing Lacie drive is the same capacity as your internal drive then I would use that as a bootable clone. I would also strongly recommend getting another external drive that is at least 2X the size of your internal drive and use that as a Time Machine backup. That is how I (and lots of others) have their systems set up. That way you have backup of very old files that you may need sometime and have a clone of your internal drive in case the internal drive crashes. I have 3 Firewire 800 external drives daisy chained together, I use one as my TM drive, one as my SuperDuper drive and the third I keep my photos and music on. I also have TM set up to back up my photos and music drive. This way I have 2 backups of my internal drive and access to files as old as my original TM backup.

Q2. I can't answer your second question as I have no experience with PS3.

Q3. You don't have to use TM (IMHO it's dumb not to but that is your decision) and yes you can drag and drop to an external drive. As long as the files are readable by Windows (I'm assuming that is what you are running on the Dell) then the Dell should read them. For example if you have a PDF on your iMac then sure it will be readable by Windows. If you run MS Office on the iMac sure those files will also be readable by the Windows version of MS Office. However if you are running Aperture on the iMac that is a OS X only application and not readable by Windows.

Mar 4, 2009 5:51 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Thanks so much for your help however I still am confused/have some questions.

1) I am a college student and do not really have the money right now to buy another external hard drive, I just bought the 1tb Lacie thinking that should be enough space. It is not the same size as my internal, which is 320. What does this mean? Is this bad? I still do not get Time Machine for some reason. Why can't I just backup my system once, they way it is today, and go with that? My impression of time machine is that it keeps backing up my system and that seems like it would take a lot of space. I do not run many programs on my mac aside from Office. The rest is watching movies, listening to music and web browsing. My system has not changed much in the past 6 months aside from music/movies/photos. Sorry if these questions are "stupid" but I didnt know where else to go. Also if anyone has any info on the ps3/external hard drive/ time machine hookup please let me know.

Also when you say "bootable" what do you mean exactly.

Mar 4, 2009 6:17 PM in response to vin1215

Your 1 TB Lacie is perfect for Time Machine!

If you back up your system once, lets say today for example. Then over the next 4 months you add lots of pictures, music, and other things. Then one morning 4 months from now your internal drive crashes, if you only have back up of the things you backed up today then you lost all that new music, pictures and other things you added.

Now lets say you use Time Machine begining today it will back up EVERYTHING on your machine today and then will back up all the stuff you add over the course of time automatically. TM DOES NOT backup everything every time it backs up only the new or changed stuff. So let's use the same scenario OK....you do a back up using TM today, then over the next 4 months you add pictures, music and other stuff. Then one morning 4 months from now your internal drive crashes, you run to get it fixed and get a new internal drive installed. Then all you need to do is restore your system from TM and you get back EVERYTHING you had on your TM drive and you can get going just like the day before your internal drive crashed.

The whole idea of TM is it will back up files for you automatically, you don't have to remember to drag and drop or start a back up program. Then if you accidentally erase something or make a revision to something and need an earlier version (school work for example) on your internal drive you can use TM to restore it in seconds. Or let's say your internal drive crashes once you get your iMac repaired you have all stuff just waiting for you on TM ready to go back on to your new internal HD.

It's really a simple concept, read about it here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html

Last a bootable drive is a drive you can start your computer from. The internal drive on you iMac is a bootable drive, if you get another external drive and make it bootable (in your case you would only need a 320GB drive) if your internal drive crashes you could use the bootable drive to start your computer and run it from. They're great in case of an emergency.

Mar 4, 2009 6:35 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Ok we r getting closer. I am learning a lot here. I cannot express enough thanks for helping me out. I really appreciate it.

So a bootable drive means if my internal drive fails I can boot up from the bootable external. However I do not need a bootable drive to use files on someone else's computer right? Also Super Drive can make my Lacie 1TB a bootable drive for only $27? Are there any disadvantages or risks doing this?

Also I have been researching the whole PS3/Time Machine thing and it seems I have to partition my Lacie so I can dedicate one to Tm and one to PS3. However I have no idea what that really means. they also say I need to format the drive to Fat32 or something in order for the ps3 to read it. does any of this affect any of the things you told me thus far? Thanks again.

Mar 4, 2009 6:59 PM in response to vin1215

No problem, I'm happy to help if I can.

+"So a bootable drive means if my internal drive fails I can boot up from the bootable external"+ Yes that's it! No you do not need a bootable drive to use files on someone else's computer. Yes SuperDuper (not Super Drive) can make your Lacie 1TB a bootable drive for only $27.00 no there are not disadvantages to doing that.

Yes you could partition your Lacie partially to TM and partially to your PS3. That isn't advisable either, the reason being is if the Lacie crashes and dies you have lost not only all your TM data but your PS3 data! Yikes a scary thought! When you partition a drive you are making it into separate drives. For example if you made 5 partitions that would equal = 5 separate drives. Yes if you do decide to partition your Lacie you could partition part of it as a FAT32 (in Disk Utility FAT32 is called MS-DOS FAT) and part as Mac OS Extended (Journaled).

Again my advice is to use your Lacie as your TM drive, as finances permit add a drive for your PS3 and another as a bootable backup drive. The good news is drives are coming way down in price and if you're a good shopper deals are out there. I got lucky a couple of months ago and found 2 brand new 320 GB Lacie Quadra D2's on Ebay for $42.00 each! I use one as my SuperDuper drive and the other I sold for a profit.

Regards,
Roger

Mar 4, 2009 7:13 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Thanks Roger, last thing. In regards to your thoughts on the ps3/Tm partition. The ps3 data I would be using would be the same music and movie files that are on the TM so I actually wouldn't be losing extra stuff just the same stuff formatted to work on my ps3. Also how hard is it to partition and is it possible to undo a partition?

Mar 5, 2009 6:26 AM in response to rkaufmann87

sorry. Ok let me try.

So I have my Lacie 1tb external HD and I have partitioned it (320gb for TM and the rest is for Ps3). Now I am downloading some music, am I able to download this music straight to eh external hard drive, the ps3 partition specifically or do I have to download it to my internal hard drive first and then drag and drop it to the ps3 partition on the external hard drive?

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