Monitor Output, for 24p

Hey all,

So my set up is like this.... Firewire cable to Camera (Deck) to S-Video to Sony monitor.

Now what I've noticed, that if I edit something thats 29.97 frames it will play back on my monitor, but anything that is 24p or 23p... won't play as a movie, only as stills... Is there anyway to change it so you could have a 24p project play as a smooth movie not in single frames?

Thanks!
-Blake

Dual G5, Mac OS X (10.4.1)

Posted on May 1, 2009 11:06 AM

22 replies

May 2, 2009 2:14 PM in response to Blake Farber

I doubt your digital-analog box can do this.

If you're seeing the spinning beach ball of death when you nest your 24p sequence in a 29.97 sequence, it may not work. Try with a very short sequence. Could be that it's choking the system. Try dropping a single clip in a 29.97 timeline and see if that works. Could be you need more RAM or a faster computer.

Message was edited by: Michael Grenadier

Zebulun

Level 5

6,749 points

May 2, 2009 2:15 PM in response to Blake Farber

FCP automatically telecines a 23.976 fps sequence up to 29.97 fps for external viewing via firewire. You may want to peruse your user guide. There are many of us who've been viewing 23.976 fps sequences for years this way.

Also, most NTSC devices will not support a frame rate other than 29.97 fps, are you sure you have a multi-format monitor capable of native 23.976?

May 2, 2009 2:25 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

You can't nest sequences that have different frame rates, and that wouldn't help you anyway. FCP should have no trouble adding pulldown on the fly to your 24p DV video and outputting to your camera via firewire. I've done it for years. What are your sequence settings?

Blake Farber Author

Level 1

33 points

May 2, 2009 2:47 PM in response to Kyle Gilman

I mean this is my process... after using cinematools to take a captured 29.97p video converts to a 24p (since its shot on 24p regular) I drop it into timeline... which automatically converts it to the sequence necessary... In this case its 720x480 16:9 and 24 frames...
If I made a timeline with 29 or copy and paste from 24 to a 29 timeline it won't be in sync... but it will work for viewing on my external monitor... So is there a way to output on 29 but edit with 24?

May 2, 2009 4:11 PM in response to Blake Farber

Are you using Cinema Tools to convert to 24.0 or 23.98? If it's 24.0 you'll just get a still frame on output. You should always be editing in 23.98. If you did a reverse telecine to 24.0 you can do a batch conform to 23.98 in Cinema Tools. It should work just fine to edit 23.98 and view it on your monitor without any extra work or equipment.

Blake Farber Author

Level 1

33 points

May 2, 2009 4:23 PM in response to Kyle Gilman

im using cinema tools to conver 29 to 24

but 23 can be viewed smoothly through a camera and a monitor? Im think it will have the same problem as 24...

Im just thinking if theres a way to output 29 even though its 24... is there??

May 2, 2009 9:36 PM in response to Blake Farber

For clarity, please don't round the numbers off. There is no 29 fps or 23 fps. The whole reason 23.98 exists is for compatibility with NTSC televisions. 24.0 will never work. There is never any reason to edit 24p video at 24.0 fps. 24.0 is only for certain workflows where the material originated on film. I can assure you that 23.98 video will work just fine through a firewire camera and 24.0 will not. Ever.

This thread has been closed by the system or the community team. You may vote for any posts you find helpful, or search the Community for additional answers.

Monitor Output, for 24p