2008 MacPro on 10.5.7 and ATI 4870

Hi folks
I wonder if anybody with a 2008 MacPro has installed the 4870 and 10.5.7 AND noticed a truly increased video performance, compared to the previous available cards (8800/2600/3870), given their poor video drivers or low level hardware.
Need to get a true picture to place an order (or not...)

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2008 MacPro 2.8GHz 16GB - Mini1.83GHz 2GB - MacBook Santarosa 2.2GHz 4GB-, Mac OS X (10.5.1), Eizo S2410 24"- Samsung 215TW 21"

Posted on May 15, 2009 7:57 AM

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May 18, 2009 5:16 AM in response to tokyobeing

Thanks folks!


mmmh...I'm not THAT excited. Considering the following:
-all core video/image tests show that the standard ATI2600 beats the GT8800, owing to lame drivers
-the difference between the 4870 and the 2600 will then be lower than an 11% performance increase
-the out ofmarket price Apple charges for the 4870

it's probably worth waiting for more detailed tests from Barefeats and for the Nvidia 280 coming out in June to decide what to do.


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May 19, 2009 1:23 AM in response to tokyobeing

There are no tests on Barefeats with 10.5.7 yet.
I'm not interested in Windows gaming on Mac. I have a dedicated rig for that.
I only wish the 4870 stays at least in the +35/50% performance gain compared to the 2600/8800, given the best hardware it sports and the hope a decent driver is available now in 10.5.7.... otherwise there is no reason to upgrade for core video/image apps.

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May 19, 2009 3:00 AM in response to Italoop

I think you have to give ATI maybe a little time...

It took Nvidia how long to tweak their drivers to get some decent results with core image on the 8800. The way the drivers are now, the 8800 isn't a bad choice for apps imo. Especially if your alternative is the 3870 which from what I've heard, is very loud. That is unless you put an after market cooler out it.

May 19, 2009 4:51 AM in response to noice_T

You must be joking!

the 4870 has been announced quite some months before 10.5.7. By industry standards drivers should be working pretty good by now. We only need to see a well done set of benchmarks. I have emailed Rob about this today.
Nvidia drivers for the 8800 were never really optimized. The second release was even worst than the first. My 8800 on PC is just ages ahead than on my friend's MacPro (I kept the ATI 2600 on mine for this reason) when using video/image apps.
If you haven't yet, you should give a more modern GPU a try on a PC to realize what these devices can do today...AND don't do on our MacPros. That's the sad part of it.
Even the 8800, which is by now an old device, is much, much more performant on Windows than on OS X. Remember, I'm talking about core image apps, NOT gaming.
That's even worst.

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Message was edited by: Italoop

May 19, 2009 5:04 AM in response to Italoop

It took a year to get to 10.5.6, 18 months to get to 10.5.7.

Vista 64-bit drivers were a year in getting some refinement and had / were the leading cause of crashes and issues.

Windows 7 has had 5-6 months of public testing. Drivers are still "one step forward, one step back."

When ATI came out with the PCI Radeon 9200 (nearly a decade ago it now seems) it took a good part of a year to get drivers.

10.5.0 was a major change, and almost each small ".dot one" update brought changes such that PCIe controllers had to retest and modify their drivers, the rules for how devices communicate also changed and in flux.

Nothing is over-night or in a couple or three months.

The Radeon 2600 had problems with its launch in 2008. The 3870 still has problems, and I thought that would be a 3-4 months, the time it takes to revise chips and find a new solution.

The FX 4800 and GTX 285 are set to launch in June. Sold independently.

May 19, 2009 5:18 AM in response to The hatter

Hatter

I haven't seen so many problems in video drivers as in OS X. Why is this happening?
Why we get video drivers frequently updated on Windows by both Nvidia and ATI, always bringing performance increase and optimization? Why the same exact GPU performance on a MacPro is always inferior to its Windows counterpart?
3 months is not overnight! It's a pretty **** good amount of time for drivers development, particularly on a "limited" platform like Mac, when there is no need to support gazillions of games. And still...more than a year for the 8800...and it still ***** on Macs!
Why?


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May 25, 2009 1:10 PM in response to Italoop

I do wish that Barefeats woudl publish the complete detailed test envrironment.

However, I believe the Barefeats folks have quietly announced that their tests from last year on the 8800 GT may no longer be valid. They have performed some additional pro apps testing using the 2009 Nehalem platform which indicate that the same 8800 GT performs rather well ... across the board ... presumably with the same OS X drivers we are all using today.

Has your friend seen any improvement? I am buying another 2008 Pro and am seriously considering ordering it with the 8800 GT for an extra $100.

With respect to the current test results for the 8800 GT, the mad scientist on Barefeats now states:

+"Keep in mind that graphics card performance is "moving target." A tweak here and there in the firmware and drivers can change performance dramatically. Compared to last year's GeForce results, the nVidia engineers must have been burning the midnight oil improving their Core Image performance. And ATI engineers should look at the graphs and realize they can't rest on their laurels."+ - robART Morgan

Check out the test results:

http://www.barefeats.com/nehal06.html

May 25, 2009 3:19 PM in response to Tremane

The best new test numbers.
http://barefeats.com/nehal10.html

Keep in mind that Apple Store Specials today has ALL models listed from 2008-9 it seems. And those come with the 8800GT. But the 8800GT for 2008/9 is nowhere to be found as an upgrade order, same goes for the Radeon 2600XT, gone, nada. Would think there would still be a page, right? even if only to say it was discontinued??? Zilch. You can rewrite history and erase the past.

Maybe you'd be a candidate for the GTX285. That is a lot of card.

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