Cycling '74 discontinues Pluggo (Moves Pluggo Technology to 'Max for Live')

Syphen wrote:
"Audio Units are one part of that, but by no means the biggest. Don't forget Windows is going through the same 32/64-bit transition as well.

this is absolutely irrelevant!!!

you think that all people in the world put in the trash their 32BIT computers???

you think that 4 Years ago everything was working *only at 32BIT?*
OSX (Jaguar) 10.3.x is a 64bit system
*OSX (tiger) 10.4.x is a 64 bit system*
*OSX Leopard is a 64 bit System!!!*

*but all those support G4 32bit and G5 64bit*
*Intel core duo 32 bit and intel 2core duo and Xeon 64bit*

you think that Tomorrow 29 May ... or 30 septenber 2009
everything in the computing world will works *ONLY at 64BIT?*

My 4 years old G5 is a 64bit dual processor!!!!
Apple is always a step forward....

you really think that all people in the world throw in the garbage bins, a computer that works perfectly for buy another one .... that maybe it works only with 64bit apps????

you really believe about what you're writing?

I do not believe ... and if that happens I have already bought a new 64bit CPU and I have also a 4 years old 64bit Cpu and I have a 32bit core duo black macbook from summer 2006 less than 3 years ago awesome for Win XP and Leopard too ... and I am quiet ... because all the applications that I use for my work..... Today works....
and I'm sure they will works for many Years....

I simply wait for the fantastic world... Wizard of OZ!

I have Macs
I'm a Macintosh user since the beginnings!!!

Good Luck

G

you really believe about what you're writing?

I only wish that one day you actually give evidence that you understood what was being said... *sigh*

BTW OSX is not a 64-bit system. Recent versions have a 64-bit kernel, and some support utilities, but much of the frameworks are 32-bit up to now. Snow Leopard will be the first fully-64 bit OSX.

Bee Jay wrote:
Snow Leopard will be the first fully-64 bit OSX.

this is exactly the same statement that I have read when Tiger... and after ...
Leopard was announced...

if you read the article that was released many Years ago you find the same Statement...

But instead Snow Leopard you will found just "Leopard"

+Leopard will be the first fully 64BIT OSX+
(how many times I have read this in the past... :-O )

... sorry I forget to say that IBM 970 processor is a 64 Bit processor... so Snow Leopard should be works also on G5...

Why the previous systems are not real 64Bit?
I have lost something???
I'm not so young 😟

I have read that Leopard is a fully 64bit... this was apple official announce!
the same for Tiger!!!

this is really the Wizard of OZ?

.. and are you really sure that Snow Leopard does not support Core Duo Intel 32bit of My black Macbook?

Logic 8.0.2 will be supported!... or better I have Nehalem Xeon and Logic 8.0.2 works perfectly here!
*I will wait long time before upgrading my machine!!!*

G

To be a full 64-bit system, everything about the system must be 64-bit.

Currently, only the kernel and some low level stuff is 64-bit. Most of Apple's frameworks are 32-bit, and some are still Carbon rather than Cocoa - from what I understand, Carbon will never be 64-bit and will be phased out for Snow Leopard.

Logic is a 32-bit application, and one of the reasons why making a 64-bit version isn't trivial is simply because the frameworks Logic requires, such as the pro app interface, quicktime, core audio etc etc are not yet available as 64-bit versions.

The situation is complex, but it's not as simple as saying "because my processor supports 64-bit operation, my system is running 64-bit" - it isn't. And neither are the vast majority of applications you are running either. A small handful are, though, and you can force these to run in 32-bit mode by doing a get info on the application and ticking the 32-bit checkbox.

Based on the level of content of replies you have brought to this topic

I'll take that as a compliment 😉

and the fact your Posts total 6,418

I've been posting help to Logic forums since about 1993, from Logic 1.5. Believe me, my total number of Logic-related posts is waaaayyyyyyyy more than 6000... and actually, my posts total nearly 8000 (don't forget the LP7 forum) - I'm a couple of hundred away from Level 4 status. No Idea what that means, though... ( ! )

have been Registered since 12/12/05

Again, I've been using Logic for 16 years, and Notator/Creator for some years before that.

are you involved at any level with Apple or EM development teams?

Why would you think that? There are plenty of people on these forums with much higher post counts. I like to think it's not the post counts, but the post content that counts... 😉

Bee Jay wrote:
To be a full 64-bit system, everything about the system must be 64-bit.

Currently, only the kernel and some low level stuff is 64-bit. Most of Apple's frameworks are 32-bit, and some are still Carbon rather than Cocoa - from what I understand, Carbon will never be 64-bit and will be phased out for Snow Leopard.

I don't want talk about Snow leopard...
As you can see I just talking about the history of OSX

Logic is a 32-bit application, and one of the reasons why making a 64-bit version isn't trivial is simply because the frameworks Logic requires, such as the pro app interface, quicktime, core audio etc etc are not yet available as 64-bit versions.

obvious
but if quicktime and core audio will be update, the new version will be able to work on the previous system and in any case those apps will be also 32 bit apps...
but this is a little bit speculative.. and I prefer to stay focused in the history of Mac OS X!
I think that all OS including Vista or windows7 or ....
will be 32bit and 64bit compatible...
*because the history cannot be deleted!*

The situation is complex, but it's not as simple as saying "because my processor supports 64-bit operation, my system is running 64-bit" - it isn't. And neither are the vast majority of applications you are running either. A small handful are, though, and you can force these to run in 32-bit mode by doing a get info on the application and ticking the 32-bit checkbox.

yes I agree... (but i'm not sure about checkbox because, rosetta works without any checkbox, just to stay focused on historical report of OS X)... but the situation is complex... that is why I have bought now the Nehalem Mac Pro!
because in a complex situation the safety way, is to Buy a new Mac every 3 or Maybe 5 Years! (just to avoid an "only SnowLeopard" Machine)
....the jump must be done step by step
So for the next 3 Years I will be able to continue My Job without problems...
and this 2009 Mac Pro is very impressive if compared with my old G5!

Cheers

G

Syphen wrote:
"Speculation is only a word covering the making of money out of the manipulation of prices, instead of supplying goods and services."
by Henry Ford

And this has what to do with the price of tea in China?

You are speculating. Only you are trying, poorly so, with information which is inaccurate at best, and with no support whatsoever of facts.

Nothing new on this forum, I'm afraid.

The fact that you are a new poster makes me suspect your motives.

Now, please discuss...

Apple has consistently mislead Logic Pro users judgement and budgeting for upgrades

With all due respect, that is a b ***** statement. Very few companies tell users what their development timetables are, unless there is a very important business reason to do so.

Not telling users and competitors what's coming is very different to "misleading". Misleading would be telling users that one thing is coming, then delivering something very different instead. The very nature of their policies is to prevent people being mislead if some directions change (as they do sometimes, life and business are unpredictable).

It sounds to me like you are blaming Apple for you not being able to predict the future to the benefit of yourself - everybody is in the same boat, and the rest of us manage to live and work and enjoy the tools we paid for.

And no, having a largish post count does not enable me to predict the future either... 😉

This thread looks like it's going to devolve pretty quickly, and before you start waterboarding me, I have no idea what Apple is going to do next.

But I was doin' some readin', and I found some interesting material on what Snow Leopard is likely to be, and here is the link:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/17/myths-of-snow-leopard-2-32-bit-support/

Interesting Mac stuff all over the place... and if you want to feel better about disliking Microsoft, this is it, baby! I make no claims to the truth of it, frankly, it's a little above my head at the moment which is why I'm studying it. But it seems to me that the transition from 32 bit to 64 bit has been part of Apple's plan for some time, and will be handled in a smooth manner as possible- I certainly am not worried about losing plug ins when going to 64 bit. Anyway, enjoy the material, L

For me, the initial thing I'm interested in is whether, when running Logic as a 64-bit app, Logic can load and use 32-bit plugins without problems.

You're probably aware that, for instance, Logic running on Intel cannot even see PPC plugins you may have installed - if you run Logic as PPC under Rosetta, it will now see PPC plugins but won't see Intel plugins - there is a fundamental technical incompatibility meaning Logic cannot use both architectures at once.

If the same thing happens with plugins, a 64-bit Logic will be hampered, as it will take time for all your plugins to get updated to 64-bit - no doubt with some plugin casualties along the way. The user will be torn between running Logic as 32-bit to still use all their plugins, or get the performance advantages of going 64-bit, but losing access to their plugins until their manufactuter updates them.

But if a 64-bit Logic can run 32-bit plugins natively with no performance hit and no troubles, then everything will be largely rosy in the garden.

That's the thing I'm keeping an eye out for...

OMG...hehehehe....

just taking the leap from many hassle free years of logic 5.5.1 on pc to logic studio after coveting for aeons & realising I am gettin even more disassociated from new stuff...& bought a mac pro quad 2.66ghz nehalem...the mac arrives in 2 days time....i just wanna stick logic studio on it, put my uad 1e card in one of the slots, connect my soon arriving apogee duet & make music.

this thread frightens me........

Don't panic.