Changing HardDrive & Warranty

Heya everyone 🙂

I'm off to uni in September and as Apple have just changed the spec of the MacBook White I've noticed a few places are selling the older spec models off at discounted prices.

My question is this: *if I buy one of the older models then replace the internal harddrive to a 500GB equivilant will this entirely void the warranty?* Or just the parts warranty on the harddrive? I'm not sure.

I currently use an external HD on my MacMini to do backups and to keep all my music and movies, but obviously travelling to uni and everything I'd like to have it all on my brand spanking new laptop. Obiously still do backups and stuff on an external though. Yeah.

Thanks! Ben

Mac OS X (10.5.7)

Posted on Jun 4, 2009 3:33 AM

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Jun 9, 2009 8:20 PM in response to cornelius

cornelius wrote:
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As I understand the HDD is user serviceable, for purposes of the warranty, on the unibody, but not on the polycarbonate. If in doubt call AppleCare.


Every polycarbonate-shell MacBook has had a "user serviceable" hard drive. Just remove the battery, remove the RAM/drive shield, and the drive and bracket can be pulled right out. It's actually simpler than the unibody.

As for "warranty" - that's a bit of a stretch although I understand where you're coming from. Someone could have replaced the hard drive on an iBook (which were notorious for difficulty of drive replacement) and provided it is done correctly warranty claims can't be legally denied in most jurisdictions. It's not any different than when I take my car in for a 3rd party service or perform regular maintenance myself. I could have a competent 3rd party shop adjust the valves in my engine and if they perform it correctly the warranty is still legally in place. That Apple considers it "user serviceable" is one less thing that may need to be argued with a service manager should something go wrong.

Jun 9, 2009 8:30 PM in response to y_p_w

y pw

Every polycarbonate-shell MacBook has had a "user serviceable" hard drive.

I have no argument with that. I have swapped out HDDs in iBooks, PowerBooks, MacBook Pro, and I am aware that the MacBook is easier than all of those with the possible exception of the PowerBook G3. However, that is not what I said. I wrote: "user serviceable, for purposes of the warranty," and that is the question. Whether one should try to sneak one by the Apple techs and whether it can be argued in court or wherever, my advice is to check with Apple. If they say your warranty will be voided, you may choose to go ahead and do it anyway, but you do so at your own risk. It is not in our place to counsel users to do something that is legally questionable, at best.

😉 cornelius

Jun 9, 2009 11:18 PM in response to cornelius

cornelius wrote:
y pw

Every polycarbonate-shell MacBook has had a "user serviceable" hard drive.

I have no argument with that. I have swapped out HDDs in iBooks, PowerBooks, MacBook Pro, and I am aware that the MacBook is easier than all of those with the possible exception of the PowerBook G3. However, that is not what I said. I wrote: "user serviceable, for purposes of the warranty," and that is the question. Whether one should try to sneak one by the Apple techs and whether it can be argued in court or wherever, my advice is to check with Apple. If they say your warranty will be voided, you may choose to go ahead and do it anyway, but you do so at your own risk. It is not in our place to counsel users to do something that is legally questionable, at best.


Again - "user serviceable" has a very limited definition in the warranty and it only applies to Apple's remedy when certain parts fail (i.e. replacing damaged memory or batteries).

I mention it because I know the legal recourses from the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement Act of 1975. No manufacturer selling in the US can provide a warranty and condition that service can only be performed by "authorized" dealers or specific parts without providing that service and/or parts for free. Apple's warranty terms seem to be couched with this and other countries' warranty regulations in mind. They also mention that laws in different countries can give additional protections that aren't specifically stated in the warranty terms. The warranty itself does not differentiate between the recourse for "user serviceable" upgrades or not. It does mention that damage "caused by" non-Apple service personnel isn't covered by the warranty. We've all understood this to mean that even supposedly "user serviceable" installations like RAM or hard drives that are messed up and cause damage aren't the responsibility of Apple to repair.

http://images.apple.com/legal/warranty/docs/cpuwarranty.pdf

This warranty does not apply: (f) to damage caused by service (including upgrades and expansions) performed by anyone who is not a representative of Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider (“AASP”).


What I'm saying is that the warranty terms (and I've gone through them thoroughly) don't differentiate between "user serviceable" parts when it comes to Apple's obligations under its warranty coverage for damage caused during servicing. It does mention that some repair parts that Apple considers "user serviceable" may be shipped as a replacement part as part of the warranty coverage - for user installation. It also implies that it considers damage cause by Apple personnel or AASP personnel to be specifically covered under warranty. I mentioned the Magnuson-Moss Act:

http://www.autosafety.org/the-magnuson-moss-warranty-act–-an-overview

Here's an article on how it applies to servicing (this publication is about motorcycles):

http://www.sportrider.com/features/1460404_magnuson_moss_warrantyact/index.html

In addition--and this is an important aspect of the law--to flatly deny warranty coverage the manufacturer must prove that you have done something to cause the problem. It's not up to you to prove that you have not. It's two different things to have the service writer say you're at fault and to have a large manufacturing concern go on record that you did the deed. Unless there are significant cases already on the books and the manufacturer can produce a genuine engineering study indicating that, say, your combination of pipe and chip will cause engine damage, you still have a strong argument.


And from the Federal Trade Commission:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus01.shtm#Magnuson-Moss

*"Tie-In Sales" Provisions*
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.

"In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty."

While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things.

"While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty."

Jun 10, 2009 8:08 AM in response to y_p_w

y pw:

Thanks for the comprehensive account of the limitations on the "user serviceable" concept. I agree that, according to the provisions quoted and referenced in your response, the HDD can be replaced by the user without voiding the warranty, except the user is then responsible for any consequential damage and cannot claim any remedies from Apple. Very interesting. I appreciate your effort.

😉 cornelius

Jun 10, 2009 9:22 AM in response to cornelius

cornelius wrote:
y pw:

Thanks for the comprehensive account of the limitations on the "user serviceable" concept. I agree that, according to the provisions quoted and referenced in your response, the HDD can be replaced by the user without voiding the warranty, except the user is then responsible for any consequential damage and cannot claim any remedies from Apple. Very interesting. I appreciate your effort.


It's always far more more complicated than it has to be.

Self service or third party service during the warranty period is always done at one's own risk because a mistake in installation does negatively impact the warranty status. Something as simple as a car oil change can be bungled; some people strip threads, don't properly tighten the filter, or even forget to add the oil altogether. Most people do all the steps correctly. Third party service/repair places often couch their policies in that they consider their work to maintain original warranty protection, save any replacement parts. Most independent shops I know of will guarantee their work, and "make it right" should their personnel damage something during installation. Of course users are completely on their own and have the responsibility to determine if they are qualified to perform a certain service.

Jun 10, 2009 11:40 AM in response to cornelius

Just wanted to clarify. Apple does provide instructions on how to install memory and drives but recommends that it be done by "certified" staff. They also disavow consequential damages should should something go wrong in the installation process. Here's the user guide for the new 13" MacBook Pro (I'm very tempted):

http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/MacBook_Pro_13inchMid2009.pdf

This chapter provides information and instructions for upgrading the hard disk drive
and installing additional memory in your MacBook Pro.
The battery in your MacBook Pro is not user-replaceable. If you think your battery
needs to be replaced, contact an Apple Retail Store or an Apple Authorized Service
Provider.

WARNING: Apple recommends that you have an Apple-certified technician install
replacement drives and memory. Consult the service and support information that
came with your computer for information about how to contact Apple for service. If
you attempt to install a replacement drive or memory and damage your equipment,
such damage is not covered by the limited warranty on your computer.


I know they give dire warnings that the battery service should be performed by Apple personnel. Of course it's of little consequence out of warranty, and most legal opinions I've read are that making such claims don't really change the legal requirements for warranty coverage. If it's done right, no problem. If it's done incorrectly, there's a problem.

Jun 10, 2009 7:28 PM in response to cornelius

cornelius wrote:
y pw
Just wanted to clarify. Apple does provide instructions on how to install memory and drives but recommends that it be done by "certified" staff.

This is for the Al unibody MacBooks, since these are the ones Apple consider the HDD to be user serviceable. Are instructions included for the polycarbonate MacBooks?


I was referencing the new 13" MacBook Pro battery. This thread diverged somewhat into what the warranty implications are when Apple doesn't consider something "user serviceable". Personally I believe the warranty implications are the same (do it right and there's no problem), but "degree of difficulty" may impact the likelihood of there being a problem.

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