Garageband Plugins - Lessons on Mastering

Hi,

Is there anywhere I can get a good run-down of all the AU plugins available in GB '09 and how they work/what they do? Especially when it comes to mastering the final mix.

Some kind of on-line tutorial/cheat sheet?

I want to get my recordings to sound like the commercial songs in my iTunes library.

Thanks,

Glyn

MacBook Pro 2.4GHz C2D, 2GB DDR3, Mac OS X (10.5.7)

Posted on Jun 8, 2009 3:04 AM

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Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM in response to s e e d

IK's T-RackS 3 and CSR verb are both excellent. Good stuff. Way under the radar plugs I think.

Sonalkis Multilimit Multiband Limter is 70% off for the moment another great plug as is their Maxlimit. A great brickwall limiter imo.

30 day trials for their plugs...

http://www.sonalksis.com/

And I think Stillwell plugs sound really good and are very inexpensive. But they don't sound inexpensive.

Major Tom, 1973, Vibe EQ, Event Horizon all very musical.

http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=29



I've never been able to bond with Ozone.

Jun 13, 2009 9:13 AM in response to gjmnz

gjmnz wrote:
This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier about missing tutorials or documents. Even though there would be many workflows for many users, I have no idea what you just talked about. I would pay money to have a tutorial on how a person approached this part of the recording process. I don't care that it is simply their way of doing it. I just know that if I can see what other do and have it explained, I can take from many sources and create my own system, deciding what is enough or not.


Have you checked out Lynda.com's DVD by Garrick Chow about GB? It's his workflow for using GB. You might find it helpful. Also, MacProVideo sells a variety of videos about things like this you might also find helpful.

http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=504

http://www.macprovideo.com/

they may not be exactly about mastering, but they'll give you a sense how others use GB, which can be more helpful than reading a getting started PDF.

Regarding mastering... it's both simple and complicated. Simple because it boils down to "make this sound good and ready for duplication." Complicated for all the reasons HT enumerated above. It's science, art, experience, tools.

I am not sure what the character of this forum is yet,being quite new, but it would be awesome if there was a place on this board where the die hard GB heads posted there tut's or whatever.

Cheers. G.


Here's a thread in this forum in which I blathered on about mastering which, depending on your mood, may be helpful or tedious:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6894031

However, this forum tends to be not so much about discussing topics in depth or sharing work habits as it is about quick answers to standard questions. Occasionally it does veer off into an interesting discussion, but most people who use GB aren't interested in looking too much under the hood. I take it from your interest in using iControl and getting your hands dirty that your interest goes beyond the "I just want to plug in my guitar and record myself" crowd.

If you compare this forum with Apple's own Logic forum, you can see that - aside from the fact that this is about GB and that's about Logic - there's a lot more in depth discussion about audio concepts in general, and it's generally more chatty and chummy in the Logic forum. Logic discussion becomes a springboard to underlying concepts and workflows that drive the use of its features. Because GB has a lot of casual users, and because it is, after all, so easy to use, I suppose the forum tends to be more curt.

Two outside forums you might be interested in are Harmony-Central (specifically SSS), and Gearslutz.

Harmony-Central SSS veers to the other extreme, it's very chatty and isn't GB specific. However, it often goes into these topics and attracts a lot of casual musicians. It's moderated by Craig Anderton who, for example, used a recent thread about mastering as the basis for an article in EQ (which he edits) about mastering:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forumdisplay.php?f=50

Gearslutz is a very active forum that discusses these issues in much more in depth, with lots of sharing of information among experienced engineers, and participants ranging from noobies to top industry pros:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/

There's different forums in gearslutz that might interest you, from "low end theory" - i.e. low budget, to music computers, to the mastering forum. There's often "I wonder how that person did it on that album" and then they pop up and explain how they did it.

You could also subscribe to music magazines like EQ, Electronic Musician, Mix, etc. which endlessly cycle articles about tracking, mixing, and mastering and over time you can get a pretty good sense about what it's about. They often highlight various producers and how they achieve effects on whatever gear they're using. Since all the gear follows similar fundamental concepts, it's easy enough to adapt what someone is saying about one piece of gear to another. After awhile it just kinda starts making sense.

One of the grand Poo Bahs of mastering who I reference in the thread above is Bob Katz. While it gets a bit technical, you can sift through information on his website (he also shows up at Gearslutz so you could ask him what the **** he was talking about):

http://www.digido.com/

Finally, I guess since all forums are no more or less than their participants, if more participants shared their experience in the forum, then that would be the forum!

Jun 13, 2009 8:51 AM in response to Lust

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Sonalkis Multilimit Multiband Limter is 70% off for the moment another great plug as is their Maxlimit. A great brickwall limiter imo.

30 day trials for their plugs...

http://www.sonalksis.com/


Agreed on sonalksis making great sounding plugins.

Also, another company I like a lot that makes great sounding, reasonably priced plugs is PSP Audio:

http://www.pspaudioware.com/

A lot of people use and love their Vintage Warmer, myself included. It's very much a "character" plugin, so you wouldn't want to use it on everything, and when you do use it you'd want to use it judiciously (it's tempting to overuse it), but it really is amazing how a few lines of code can so nicely warm up (and maximize volume on) your tracks.

Jun 13, 2009 4:23 PM in response to MattiMattMatt

MattiMattMatt wrote:
Have you checked out Lynda.com's DVD by Garrick Chow about GB? It's his workflow for using GB. You might find it helpful. Also, MacProVideo sells a variety of videos about things like this you might also find helpful.
http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=504
http://www.macprovideo.com/
they may not be exactly about mastering, but they'll give you a sense how others use GB, which can be more helpful than reading a getting started PDF.

Actually I have already bought the Macprovideo GarageBand 09 tutorial. They only in the last couple of days issued Part 2 which I have not yet been able to watch. I noticed that there is 1 video with the title of "Mastering." I hope to check it out later in the week. I'll check out the lynda.com tut as well.
I am not sure what the character of this forum is yet,being quite new, but it would be awesome if there was a place on this board where the die hard GB heads posted there tut's or whatever.


Here's a thread in this forum in which I blathered on about mastering which, depending on your mood, may be helpful or tedious:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6894031

Now that was a great read for me. You have a fantastic writing style. You mentioned you might start a blog, did you ever do that? Its this exact level of interaction that I am talking about. I know there is an art and science to pursue regarding mixing/mastering, but people have to start somewhere. Many people choose to start recording in GB. As they move along their interest in the whole chain of events is peaked. IMO they falsely think that they have to upgrade to Logic or PT, DP, Live etc. They also in many ways have to learn a new UI and workflow before they get to exactly the same place they were before they 'upgraded.' The O'Reilly XML tutorial on mixing in GB is a good description as well. But it stops short of explaining the use of the actual tools in GB, and why they are needed. There is an assumption that people already understand certain fundamentals of audio theory and lingo/buzz words. I am not sure if GB can be described as 'simplistic,' but surely there is a market for tutorials outlining the 'primary school version' of what the pro's or semi pro's do.

However, this forum tends to be not so much about discussing topics in depth or sharing work habits as it is about quick answers to standard questions. Occasionally it does veer off into an interesting discussion, but most people who use GB aren't interested in looking too much under the hood. I take it from your interest in using iControl and getting your hands dirty that your interest goes beyond the "I just want to plug in my guitar and record myself" crowd.

Yes, very much so. I have been guilty many times in the past of buying redundant overkill with everything from software to powertools. I've decided to really plumb the depths of GarageBand in order to find the genuine road blocks as they apply to my needs. I do own Logic Express and have used it once for only its file export capability. It solved a problem I couldn't find an answer to in GB. What I want to be able to say at the appropriate time is "GarageBand limited this/that fundamental operation that prevented me from achieving my goal, therefore I bought such and such."

Apple's Logic forum,
Harmony-Central SSS http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forumdisplay.php?f=50
Gearslutz http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
You could also subscribe to music magazines like EQ, Electronic Musician, Mix,
Bob Katz. http://www.digido.com/

All excellent suggestions. Problem for me is I have such a busy life that I can only invest time in a couple of select forums. Most forums need a lot of frequenting to stay in the loop, make the connections, participate in the 'ethos' in order to win people's mercy towards helping them solve your noobish learning curves. I suppose I long for just 1 place for just 1 program and its use. Maybe I need to document my own struggles and put them somewhere.
Finally, I guess since all forums are no more or less than their participants, if more participants shared their experience in the forum, then that would be the forum!

Yup. Noted.

Cheers. G.

Jun 13, 2009 10:46 PM in response to gjmnz

I posted this in another thread concerning "work flow". I don't think there is anyone workflow that can be followed except perhaps a workflow that is best for your style of creating.
This is what I do.

For me the process is more fluid then 1,2,3 depending on what's needed.

I will add effects as I go because it guides and directs the aesthetics of the work. I will do a great bit of experimenting with AU effects on a loop while the tune is being made and then perhaps again once it is completed. As far as levels and panning go I try to get them near what they will be in the final mix while I'm working.

For vocals I experiment with the effects I need before I can record them. Once I find what that will be then I record them. I might change it later but usually I go with the effects I've cooked up for those particular vocals.

I do all the editing inside GB. The only time I go outside GB is when I have a loop that I want to experiment with using a whole lot of different AU's. Then I use "AudioFinder", an application that allows me to apply an effect from an AU onto a loop quickly to see how it will sound. When I find something interesting I might process the loop with the new AU effect in Audiofinder and export it out that way or I'll just go into GB and call up that AU for further tweaking.

Sometimes in audiofinder I might take a loop and make process it 3 or 4 different ways and export those out to GB and then inside GB listen to which one I like the best by comparing them in side by side separate tracks. This takes a lot of proc load away from GB and helps me work quicker.

Once the song (or show) is complete from start to end I'll then go back and sweeten the tracks with whatever additional effects I might need. Compression, EQ, various reverb, echo, and whatever other AU goodies I have.

Then on the final output I'll use a multiband compressor to give it the life and kick I like.

Thats my style of work flow. Its the way I work on everything I do. Its probably different than someone else's work flow. most likely everyone has a different way.

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